Recruits 2006: The New Thread

[Drew]

Just noticed Heisenberg lists Troy Davenport, goalie, as a Cornell recruit for 2006.  Isn't this a replay?
Cheers!
Drew

Edit: Sorry for the dupe, trying to be helpful.

[ebilmes]

[q][Davenport) Will return to team as junior[/q]

Wow...Four goalies for next year? Or does this mean McKee is definitely out?

[redhair34]

[quote Drew]Just noticed Heisenberg lists Troy Davenport, goalie, as a Cornell recruit for 2006.  Isn't this a replay?
Cheers!
Drew[/quote]

WOW...I'm pretty shocked.  I'm suprised to see Schafer allow Davenport back after he left the team high and dry last January.  This tells me McKee must be leaving.

[Will]

[quote Drew]Just noticed Heisenberg lists Troy Davenport, goalie, as a Cornell recruit for 2006.  Isn't this a replay?.[/quote]

I have to say, I would have liked to have been a fly on the wall for that conversation.

[redhair34]

I actually don't think this is a bad move at all.  Despite the fact that he left us high and dry (for which you can't totally fault him) he's still a very good goalie.  I think the only reason other teams weren't going after him was because of his eligibility.

[calgARI '07]

Shocking but not all that shocking.  Has Cornell ever had four goalies?  There is no way McKee has made a decision but they now have a lot more insurance.  Wouldn't be shocked if DiLeo got cut if McKee stayed.

[jkahn]

[Q] Heisenberg wrote:
Davenport ... Will return to team as junior"[/Q]
He'd be a sophomore, not junior, right?  Academically, probably a second semester freshman, but a soph athletically as you're normally allowed four years of eligibilty in a five year period.  Or am I missing or forgetting something?

[Robb]

[quote jkahn][Q] Heisenberg wrote:
Davenport ... Will return to team as junior"[/Q]
He'd be a sophomore, not junior, right?  Academically, probably a second semester freshman, but a soph athletically as you're normally allowed four years of eligibilty in a five year period.  Or am I missing or forgetting something?[/quote]
Well, I think the Ivies "highly encourage" you to use your eligibility in the first four years - to the point that a medical redshirt is pretty much the only reason Ivy athletes are eligible for a 5th year.  I'm not sure if it's an actual policy or just a strongly encouraged guideline.

[billhoward]

[quote Robb][quote jkahn][Q] Heisenberg wrote:
Davenport ... Will return to team as junior"[/Q]
He'd be a sophomore, not junior, right?  Academically, probably a second semester freshman, but a soph athletically as you're normally allowed four years of eligibilty in a five year period.  Or am I missing or forgetting something?[/quote]
Well, I think the Ivies "highly encourage" you to use your eligibility in the first four years - to the point that a medical redshirt is pretty much the only reason Ivy athletes are eligible for a 5th year.  I'm not sure if it's an actual policy or just a strongly encouraged guideline.[/quote]
That's discriminatory. Why must a student-athlete or anyone else go through in four consecutive years. Doing missionary work, finding yourself, working to earn tuition, all are legitimate reasons to pause during your studies.

Wasn't there a stupid NCAA rule way back that said Canadians lost a year of NCAA tournament eligibility if they were over 25 but not Americans, and isn't that why you see pictures of former cop and Cornell senior Dick Bertrand, 29 or so years old, in a plaid sports coat during the NCAAs, not a red jersey? I'd love to be able to litigate that one now.

It was supposed to stop Canadians from playing 5 years of junior hockey after HS and being way better than Americans. But Bertrand was twirling a nightstick before Cornell, wasn't he?

[Al DeFlorio]

[quote billhoward]Wasn't there a stupid NCAA rule way back that said Canadians lost a year of NCAA tournament eligibility if they were over 25 but not Americans, and isn't that why you see pictures of former cop and Cornell senior Dick Bertrand, 29 or so years old, in a plaid sports coat during the NCAAs, not a red jersey?

It was supposed to stop Canadians from playing 5 years of junior hockey after HS and being way better than Americans. But Bertrand was twirling a nightstick before Cornell, wasn't he?[/quote]
I think he was wearing a Cornell blazer, Bill.  The wild plaid sportcoats came later when he coached and Irv Lewis's Sport Shop provided them for him to "model" behind the bench.

In Good Sports, Bob Kane writes:  "He [Bertrand] had been a policeman in Toronto for two years after graduating from high school...He played on a mediocre village team, and was not chosen to take part in Canada's Junior A competition.  No colleges came after him.  At age 25 he decided he wanted to pursue his education.  He sought out Ned Harkness with the hope he might be accepted to Cornell."

[Robb]

[quote billhoward]
That's discriminatory. Why must a student-athlete or anyone else go through in four consecutive years. Doing missionary work, finding yourself, working to earn tuition, all are legitimate reasons to pause during your studies. [/quote]
Hmmm - interesting point.  Not sure how the Ivies would treat a situation where someone actually took a break from school (i.e. was not enrolled as a full-time student).  But I'm pretty sure that while you're enrolled, your Ivy eligibility is ticking away.

Even so, I'd have a hard time characterizing the policy as "discriminatory."  The Ivy league is about academics - don't like it?  You don't have to go here.  There are plenty of Jock U's where you can prioritize athletics over academics.  I think it's a good policy - if you want a red shirt, take it before you enroll.  Once you enroll, we expect to you to focus on studies first, athletics second. If athletics has distracted you enough that you don't finish in 4 years, then it's time to either give up the athletics and finish your degree or leave school so you can focus on athletics.

[Trotsky]

[quote billhoward]That's discriminatory. Why must a student-athlete or anyone else go through in four consecutive years. Doing missionary work, finding yourself, working to earn tuition, all are legitimate reasons to pause during your studies.[/quote]

Anyone can pause during their studies.  As long as you fill in the leave of absence paperwork and pony up the tuition when you return, Cornell will be glad to have you.  Whether or not you have any years left to play varsity curling is irrelevant to the university's mission.

[Trotsky]

[quote calgARI '07]Has Cornell ever had four goalies?[/quote]

In 1977, four different men played in at least one game in goal for Cornell: Steve Napier (23), John Vandermark (12), Kevin Wang (1), and Mike Doyle (1 -- 6 minutes): http://www.tbrw.info/reports/rptAnnualGoaltending/rptAnnualGoaltendingFrame.html

[bothman]

http://www.boston.com/sports/schools/hockey/articles/2006/02/28/family_tradition_at_cm?mode=PF

[Trotsky]

[quote bothman]http://www.boston.com/sports/schools/hockey/articles/2006/02/28/family_tradition_at_cm?mode=PF[/quote]

Nice article.  It contains the line that they will be coming to Cornell "in the Fall."  Either that is an error, or Heisenberg is wrong in listing them for 2007.