What The Hell Do I Do? Injustice Maybe?

[sen '08]

[Q]A-19 Wrote:

the 2 random curses throughout a 3 hour game:
...
2. can't be heard clearly across the ice anyway
[/q]

Just listen to Live at Lynah..you really can't tell anyone says "asshole."
Granted, if I remember correctly, this was during the time people were trying to completely replace "asshole" with "goon" so it got all mixed up anyway...but I may be wrong (I was 11 at the time...I certainly didn't mind yelling asshole
::rolleyes:: )

[Trotsky]

Can't really distinguish it on the CSTV audio, either.

[ben03]

asphalt works as a fine substitute ;-)

[Cactus12]

Ctenah,
Keep us posted as to the results of all this business

[Willy '06]

You may also want to go the route of contacting the Cornell Ombudsman's office. He presented in one of my classes today, and I instantly thought of this situation.

http://web.cornell.edu/Ombudsman/questions.htm

[Shorts]

(summary at bottom)

Despite all that wording about profanity and abusive language, I'm inclined to think that the key sentence on the ticket back is "This ticket is a revocable license which may be withdrawn at any time for any reason."  Assuming that whoever wrote that up in the first place knew what (s)he was doing, and it's legally sound, then they could (in theory) kick you out for, well, any reason.  In this case, the reason is he thought the usher saw/heard you say something, but the reason could just as well be that the usher felt flatulent, and wanted to evacuate an entire section to avoid embarrassment, and it would be within the terms of the ticket agreement.

As far as the JA thing, as long as you complied with the instructions of the usher, I don't see anything in the campus code of conduct http://www.policy.cornell.edu/CM_Images/Uploads/POL/campus_code_of_conduct.html that would make saying a profane word at a loud, crowded hockey game punishable.  The most relevant part (it seems to me) is Title 2, Article IIA, which makes it a violation [Q]To disrupt or obstruct or attempt to disrupt or obstruct any instructional, research, service, judicial or other University operation or function, or interfere with or attempt to interfere with the lawful exercise of freedom of speech, freedom of movement, freedom of peaceable assembly, or other rights of individuals, by action including but not limited to the following:[/Q]Summarizing what follows, you can't threaten, be violent, get in the way, or incite others, and I don't think you did any of those things, nor were you otherwise disruptive or intending to be disruptive, in the context of the hockey game.  Of course, if you stood at the gate of Williard Straight Hall, and said "see ya, you goon" to each person as they exited, that probably would be disruptive.

The only other problem I could see is that, if you received the e-mail that ftyuv posted, it might be covered by Title 3, Article IIA, which makes it a violation[Q]To refuse to comply with any lawful order of a clearly identifiable University official acting in the performance of his or her duties or with a policy that has been duly promulgated by the University or any college, department, or unit thereof, whether or not the policy has been issued in the standardized University format[/Q]  You can make the points that 1) an e-mail doesn't constitute a clearly identifiable University official or that 2) getting into semantics, the e-mail only says there will be zero tolerance for profane or threatening language, it doesn't say that you are ordered (or instructed, told, commanded, whatever) to actually not use such language, but I doubt that either of these will be found convincing if Athletics decides to go down this road.

You can read about the JA process here: http://cuinfo.cornell.edu/Admin/judicial_system.html#ja4.  Among the highlights:
The level of burden of proof is "clear and convincing", which falls somewhere more than the 50/50 Janiga mentions for real world civil suits, but less than the "beyond reasonable doubt" for criminal cases.
The accused has the following rights (the ones I find relevant):
* the right to bring a friend or counselor (who is not connected to the case), including the Judicial Codes Counselor, to any meeting [I don't know whether there's a limit on the number of people]
* the right to take the case to the University Hearing Board and compel the Judicial Administrator to prove allegations against you by clear and convincing evidence
* the right to question witnesses
* the right to confront your accusers
* the right to present evidence and witnesses on your own behalf
* the right to appeal a University Hearing Board decision to the University Review Board
* the right to know the resolution of your case

In summary, I don't think you can make them give your season tickets back (although, if you're nice about it, you may get them to choose to give them back).  I do think that you should be able to get through the JA process without any actual punishment.

[ctenah]

Thank you everyone for your advice, once again.  I will keep you posted as to what happens.  (Absolutely nothing so far, but it is T-day break).

-Steve

[DL]

Wouldn't it be a wonderful public service if the students were to provide the little kiddies and their hyper-sensitive parents a little flyer at the beginning of each game that spelled out in offical manner exactly what the students were saying?

Shining examples,
"See ya, asphalt...  You loon!"
"rough 'em up (etc.)"
"Hey so-and-so, your mom called.  She said, '2 ducks'"

Ok, so those cheers wouldn't make any sense.  But it's not foul language (pardon the unavoidable pun) and apparently doesn't break any rules.  Sure, the kids will ask questions, and there'll be some splainin to do, but this is an institution of learning, right?  And what are they wannabecops going to throw you out for, bizarre cheering?

Heck, while we're at it, why not change all the cheers from now on, then publish the results so there's no question what is being shouted?

Here's a new one:
"Screw you, PD!"  Oh, sorry, I mean, "CUPD!"

[CaribRedFan]

alright, i've read about half of the posts on this thread, so if i'm repeating something i'm sorry....but this all sounds like the same old stuff different night.  

with the exception of keeping everyone off the concrete in section A, everything you guys have mentioned is nothing new.  I used to sit in section A, Row 1 right on the aisle, next to I believe the usher in question's name is Carl, but I could be off with his name.  and he's very consistant with his rules.  He's always kicked people out when he hears them say bad words, he's always done a few random tickets checks throughout the season.  nothing is new.

ctenah, sorry about what happened, but it happens, you were warned, everyone knows to be descrete with the bad words.  everyone from gene to schafer have given the warning at one point or another.  i'm sure it's not the end of your season tickets, you'll be back, just next time be more careful.  and get to know the ushers, though he kicked you out he's not a bad guy.  it's his job, you can't hate him for that, every "new" rule needs to be enforced and there is inevitably someone who serves as an example.  and all we can do about it is be smart and not get caught as the example.

goodluck with working it all out.  i really do hope things turn out in your favor

[jy3]

[Q]sen '08 Wrote:

 What does standing on the concrete have to do with getting hit in the head with a puck?  [/q]

yeah I was standing on a seat and got hit in the head with a puck

[ctenah]

Thanks man.

[anonymous]

Does this school suck? Yes.

Did I just get kicked out of the Princeton game? Yes.

Did I lie to the ticket office in order to keep my season tickets? Yes.

What was my crime? "Fuck em up, fuck em up, go CU"

Suddenly I care so much less about Hockey, and am pretty sure I will never donate to Cornell...great job you guys are doing, athletics department.

[Free11Skier]

From the cheers page:

[Age's note: Thou shalt chant to two. No more. No less. Two shalt be the number thou shalt chant, and the number of the chanting shall be two. Three shalt thou not count, nor either count thou one, excepting that thou then proceed to two. Four is right out. Once the number two, being the second number, be reached, then, SHUT UP AND WATCH THE GAME!]

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At the risk of being insensitive, what did you expect?  You dropped an f-bomb - by yourself - in front of an usher.

This is assuming you are the one in row 5ish of B.

[Will]

[Q]Free11Skier Wrote:

At the risk of being insensitive, what did you expect?  You dropped an f-bomb - by yourself - in front of an usher.[/q]

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one thinking this.

Seriously, I feel bad for those who get kicked out for swearing, because I do think it's a stupid rule (even while I acknowledge that Cornell is well within its rights to do so).  But really, in most cases, you have nobody to blame but yourselves if you get kicked out.

[LynahFaithfulS]

[Q]anonymous Wrote:
What was my crime? "Fuck em up, fuck em up, go CU"[/q]
have you read the rest of this thread?? if ctenah got kicked out for participating (along with all of Lynah rink) in saying asshole, what were you expecting to happen if you shout "fuck 'em up" alone?
[Q]anonymous Wrote:
Suddenly I care so much less about Hockey[/q]
you're obviously a very dedicated fan
(do note the sarcasm)