MSU 4, Cornell 3 post-game (game 2) thread

[Jacob '06]

[Q]calgARI '07 Wrote:

 [Q2]Steve Rockeu Wrote:

 Calgalri,

You are a nice kid and have a good insight to the game much of the time.

However,  it is not that the puck is right there.  If you hit the opposing player before he has played the puck it is interference.  Long ago the rule on interference in lacrosse was much as you describe but I have not keep up with the lacrosse rules.

If I am wrong I will trust someone who has the rule book to type in the relevant passage.

Take it easy,
Steve[/Q]
In both instances, the player was playing the puck and Pokuluk was playing the body.  When two players are skating for a loose puck, the two make contact all the time.  That is hockey and how it should be played.  Both guys leaned into one another but Pokuluk is much bigger so the other guy fell.  In the NHL, that is now a penalty for some reason.  Not in college.



Edited 1 times. Last edit at 10/30/05 01:22AM by calgARI '07.[/q]


I think the first one was a pretty clear interference b/c he basically leveled the guy with his shoulder when they both had an equal opportunity to get to the puck. I don't really recall the second one however. I think the rule change in the NHL is that once a player is no longer playing the puck, you can not engage him in a hit unless you were already engaging him before he lost the puck. I'm pretty sure you are allowed to play the body as someone has the puck.

[canuck89]

eh, he's bald.  If he wants to feel better by saying shit like that, it's okay.  In the ECAC hockey is played how it's supposed to be played (I won't even get into the debate about NHL vs. Olympics -sized ice surfaces), and if MSU wants to cry about getting a few bruises, let them.  The whole NCAA knows that hockey's a physical sport and they'll just embarass themselves by complaining.  Besides, the coach has got bigger problems now that the Rogaine didn't work on his shiny head.

[cufan]

Those were definitely penalties on Pokuluk.  The Michigan State player did not have possession of the puck and Pokuluk hit him.  Pokuluk should have known better and played the puck not the man.  As soon as he did it, I knew it was a penalty.  That is just bad defense on Pokuluk's part.

Straight from the rule book:

"In all of the areas above, we feel that a player who, through the use of physical skill and/or anticipation, has a positional advantage on an opponent, shall not lose that advantage through the illegal use of hands, arms, or stick. Any player in pursuit of a puck or open lane shall not lose a perceived positional advantage by the illegal use of hands, arms, or stick by an opponent. If a player is deprived of that advantage by an illegal act (i.e., hook, hold, interference, etc.), the appropriate penalty must be called."

Listen, it was the team's first weekend of games, and all in all the played well.  Yes, the 2nd period was a total mental lapse, but it happens, especially this early in the season.  Remember, last year we came out of Michigan State with a tie and loss.  We fared better this year with a win and a loss.  True, Michigan State is a dirty bush league team and it is tough to play your game when shots at your players and especially goalie are going unnoticed by the ref, but we have to be able to play above that and not let it get into our heads.

I think that our defense really missed Cook and Downs last night.  Pokuluk and O'Byrne logged a lot of time and were good, but not great.  Seminoff was just awful the entire weekend and Krantz seemed to have lost his speed, stick-handling ability, and booming shot over the summer.  Gleed was mediocre, however, he injured his hand or wrist in the third period - I saw him shaking his hand in obvious pain on the bench.  Glover played solid defense as usual, and was surprisingly good on the break-outs.

In goal, McKee had an off-weekend, hopefully, it is just that he is rusty, but don't be surprised if sits like USCHO and INCH start to break out the "overrated" argument again.  Frankly, McKee gave up too many rebounds Friday night, although none of the goals were is fault.  On Saturday night, the defense hung him out to dry on the first goal, I think he should have challenged his man more on the break away goal.  No chance on the third goal and a very soft fourth goal (that ended up being the difference).

Offensively, Moulson, Scott, and Bitz were great on the powerplay together.  Our second powerplay line was non-existent.  I question the use of 4 forwards on that PP line.  I think that Gleed should be used instead.  Plus, I think the Abbott twins will fair well on the PP.  Carefoot was one of our best forwards all weekend long, I really hope that his injury is just a sprain, but I fear worse.  McCutcheon had a great weekend as well, he makes better decisions, and I am sure that he will notch his first goal soon.  Barlow tries to do too much out there and gets knocked off the puck easily, he has to make things more simple.  Kennedy did not get many shifts and seems a little tentative.  Our freshman have a lot more to learn.  As usual, Pegs and the Abbotts were awesome.  Sawada needs to step up and fill the void that Hynes left - he seems out of place on that first line.  I feel that we do not have the depth at forward like we did last year.  Iggy, Knoepfl, and Varteressian were all solid defensively and chipped in offensively.  We had two great PP lines, and four lines that we could role.  Hopefully, Kindret can get in the lineup next weekend.

LGR!

[calgARI '07]

Who really cares at this point, but my point all along has been that the two leaned into eachother as happens on most races for the puck and thus no penalty should be called.  Considering it happened dozens of times in both games and was called only a couple times is what pisses me off the most.  Just inconsistent.

[proof of concept]

He seemed to deal with them pretty effectively during the intermission.  I don't know what he said in the locker room, but whatever it was it worked, because they came to play and then some the third period.  Hopefully the embarrassment resulting from the 2nd period sticks with them the whole season such that they never lose sight of the fact that they are on the ice playing a game again.

[French Rage]

[Q]cufan Wrote:

but don't be surprised if sits like USCHO and INCH start to break out the "overrated" argument again.
[/q]

They better now, since they're the only ones that were rating us this high; most of us here realized while we were a good team #2 was a little bit much.

[TCHL8842]

I thought this game came down to a game of STs.  I think O'Byrnes pass for the Shorthanded Breakways did turn the tide in the second period, but overall O'Byrne did not have that bad of series.  Krantz in the third period showed that he showed not be the defensemen carrying the puck across the red line.  Also in the third period, our team tried to skate tha puck into the MSU zone a lot against 3-4 defenders.  This has got to stop and realize that dumping it in a letting our bigger physical players come up with the puck.  MSU was a very chippy team and seemed like they tried to get into fights with our players.  The officiating was a little lopsided this game, but most of our penalties could have justification, except Abbotts penalty.  I was close to where Abbotts penalty occured and Abbott had two hands on his sticked and poked away the puck from the defender yet he was somehow called for holding.  This eventually led to a MSU PP goal which I was very pissed at.  When Pegs got hurt I think the linesmen saw it and called the penalty.  The linesmen in general made a lot of MSU penalty calls.

Overall I am not as optimistic as Ari is, I think the defense has to definitely get better and we have to learn to make crisper passes and faster decisions in games to be one of the top teams in the country.  Some of my friends don't think the freshmen did that well this weekend, but I think they did just fine except Seminoff which seems to use his stick to much, maybe he got away with this in Juniors but definitily not in college hockey.  I think this team has a lot of room to improve and if they do this we are a top 3 team in the country.  In the second period, I also think we got away from our physical play, partially because of all the penalties, but it reminded me of what Schaffer said with out the physical play we are an average team.  I am looking forward to see the top line against other teams, because I think Sawada and Bitz can create a havok in the corners for other teams, which should lead to Moulson getting even more goals then last year.  If you don't agree with anythings I said I will definitely provide more information if you want, any ways going into this series I was expecting a split, but after seeing the games I think that we should of gotten at least 3 points out of this weekend.  Every team has to lose, and I dont expect to see this team doing that much, since we don't have extremely stellar competition OOC except MSU.  Hopefully the rest of the ECAC can keep their winning ways up, so our conference can have good RPIs and PairWise rankings.

[Oat]

Alright, so now i'm a bit calmer and more composed...  I will admit that most of the calls against us tonight were legit. But i am still tremendously pissed off that MSU got away with worst things than what our guys did. Feola was an incompetent anti-christ idiot whose fault costed us that game.

[RichH]

[Q]Oat Wrote:

 Alright, so now i'm a bit calmer and more composed...  I will admit that most of the calls against us tonight were legit. But i am still tremendously pissed off that MSU got away with worst things than what our guys did. Feola was an incompetent anti-christ idiot whose fault costed us that game.[/q]

Wow...that's more composed?!?

I only was able to catch the 3rd period online.  I'm proud of our guys' performance in the 3rd.  I noted some great chances generated by Pegoraro, Sawada, Krantz, and Bitz/Moulson to try to get the tying goal.  Maybe the 2nd will teach the team (especially the young guys) that they need to work every period all year long.  

Some of us older fans are thrilled that they were able to score so quickly to make it a game.

[evilnaturedrobot]

what anoyed me about MSU was that they acted as if they had swept.  They faught back tonight and acheived a draw, that's it, nothing more.

[Oat]

I guess I wasn't really composed there.. ::nut::  Sorry guys..  :-P

[Dafatone]

I personally thought some of our players looked a bit off tonight.

I thought Sawada and Bitz weren't that great.  The second line (Pegs, Scott, Abbott, I believe?) looked best overall, though Moulson was good as usual.  Sawada was solid defensively, but Bitz was losing control of the puck more often than I'd like.  I'm not huge on hockey knowledge, so I could be completely wrong here, but I wonder if our top line should have someone who could help set up Moulson better (Pegoraro maybe?)  Shame we don't still have Hynes for both size and passing/puckhandling ability.

Our defensemen looked spotty, Pokulok made great plays and bad ones.  O'byrne had a surprisingly quiet night, he's usually always doing something (even if it is sometimes a dumb play in front of our goal).  Krantz was off a bit, Gleed was solid.  As to the freshmen, Barlow looked pretty good, in my opinion.  A bit too agressive trying to advance the puck, but he had good energy.

[Ack]

Easy on section E - there are some gamers in there...or so I hear.

I'm fine with the ushers confiscating bottles and keys upon entrance into Lynah.

[Ack]

Hopefully no more fire alarms.

[Dafatone]

Looking back at the game, Bitz had an assist and Sawada had a goal, so I guess they didn't really have that bad a game.  Sawada I just didn't notice much, which I usually consider a bad thing.  Bitz seemed to be losing the puck an awful lot.  Oh, almost forgot, the refs sucked.

Was it just me, or were the Section O Sucks chants overdone?  Don't get me wrong, section O does suck, and needs to be reminded of it often.  But I almost felt like we lost focus on the players halfway through the game.