MSU 4, Cornell 3 post-game (game 2) thread

ben03 · October 29, 2005, 11:55:10 PM

fair enough, their fans made a long trip and deserved a salute. but you do it as you leave the ice. if you've been around hockey long enough, you know their intention was not to really salute their fans as much as it was to get the collective Big Red hackles up. when the opposing coach (in this case coach Schafer) has to help get you off the ice, you're over the line. end of story.

MSU is a good team but they are bush league in a major way. glad to see them go back to the super bush CCHA.

French Rage · October 29, 2005, 11:56:04 PM

Will, the "BALD" sign was awesome. We even got a clear shot of it on the webcast.

Dpperk29 · October 29, 2005, 11:57:15 PM

ok... the quick tap of the sticks and salute is what I am saying was ok... the lingering around at the door was total bullshit...

calgARI '07 · October 30, 2005, 12:05:47 AM

Even Clarkson did it as they left the ice after they won a freakin' playoff series.

calgARI '07 · October 30, 2005, 12:06:45 AM

MSU reminded me a lot of the bush league Western Michigan team that was here two years ago.

French Rage · October 30, 2005, 12:17:31 AM

Well, we didnt help our image with throwing stuff on the ice. We cant talk about how we get in opponent's heads and then get upset when the other team throws stuff back at us. Yeah, it's a little immature (seeing as how they did lose the previous night), but we have to be tough but not immature too.

Pace · October 30, 2005, 12:40:23 AM

Heartbreaking loss tonight. I do agree that it's not THAT big a deal in the long run. But, as many have said, for 5 out of 6 periods we outplayed MSU this weekend, so it's heartbreaking to come out with only one win.

It's been said over and over, the 2nd period was an absolute disaster. Sure, part of the fault lies with Feola, but to be fair, I think he was a little too harsh on MSU in the 1st. Feola or not, we cannot allow something like today's 2nd to happen. Ever. It has been 25 straight games since we allowed more than 2 goals. I'm hard pressed to blame McKee too much. For the 4th goal, yes. That was a total softy. But for the rest of them, the team failed him.

At the end of tonight, the feeling was more bittersweet though. The 2nd period was terrible, but I was delighted, nay, encouraged to see how we rallied in the 3rd. Like Ari said, a wake-up call was needed, it was brutally served, and we managed to play on really well in the 3rd. Coach really must yell "the right stuff".

Finally, I have to disagree with pretty much everyone (save one or two) who posted thus far. I really like Pokulok, but this weekend he played terribly. He was just plain clumsy. I must've counted at least a dozen times this weekend when he'd be skating with the puck, loose it, have to spin around himself to get it. And all this with no interference from anyone. He also missed a great deal of easy passes made to him. The only thing that was still on was his shot. Otherwise an awkward, awkward weekend for him.

French Rage · October 30, 2005, 12:44:09 AM

Well, if we know one thing about Schafer, it's that any shortcomings that contributed to the 2nd period will be dealt with and dealt with thoroughly.

Steve Rockey · October 30, 2005, 12:45:31 AM

I hate to tell you guys but the ref was right onthe mark with most of his calls. The officiating was good and even handed. The worse call was the major when Pegoraro was hurt. None of the officials saw it but when the finally realized Pegoararo was hurt they made a call after the fact. It is amazing they got the right guy. It should have been called but no arm went up when it happpened -- like I say they did not see it. Calling a penalty on something you did not see if questionalble at best.

In the first period MSU took a lot of penaltied and we failed to capitalize. In the second period we took a lot of penalties.

Pokulok was indeed interferring when he got called for it. Both were brutal and obvious interference. I had a good look at both of them and could have called them before his arm went up. Pokulok should know better.

Steve

Robb · October 30, 2005, 01:07:16 AM

[Q]JimHyla Wrote:

[Q2]"Cornell is a very physical team. They certainly couldn't play in our league because they would get called for too many penalties. Cornell plays a tough, physical game and tonight, our guys battled to match the intensity. This is a big win for us." [/Q]
Quoted from the MSU site[/q]

F you, Comley. Your boys had more PIMs than we did this weekend. But I guess when your guys get chippy, it's called "intensity."

canuck89 · October 30, 2005, 01:08:34 AM

I was not a fan of throwing the bottles at the end, but if those idiots had brains they'd throw them at Feola. That would be fine by me. I have never seen Schaffer that upset at a referee before. Feola does suck at life, and he did throw the game (though i'm positive it was by accident. Sure, some of our penalties were actually penalties, and MSU did receive some bad calls too, but that is no excuse. With ~25 sec left and one of our players hauled down in their end, that effectively was the end of the game since the puck was cleared out of the zone. Total bullshit.

ok...i'm done.

calgARI '07 · October 30, 2005, 01:09:01 AM

[Q]Steve Rockey Wrote:

I hate to tell you guys but the ref was right onthe mark with most of his calls. The officiating was good and even handed. The worse call was the major when Pegoraro was hurt. None of the officials saw it but when the finally realized Pegoararo was hurt they made a call after the fact. It is amazing they got the right guy. It should have been called but no arm went up when it happpened -- like I say they did not see it. Calling a penalty on something you did not see if questionalble at best.

In the first period MSU took a lot of penaltied and we failed to capitalize. In the second period we took a lot of penalties.

Pokulok was indeed interferring when he got called for it. Both were brutal and obvious interference. I had a good look at both of them and could have called them before his arm went up. Pokulok should know better.

Steve[/q]

Learn the rule buddy. The puck was right there. He was playing defense.

calgARI '07 · October 30, 2005, 01:13:14 AM

[Q]canuck89 Wrote:

I was not a fan of throwing the bottles at the end, but if those idiots had brains they'd throw them at Feola. That would be fine by me. I have never seen Schaffer that upset at a referee before. Feola does suck at life, and he did throw the game (though i'm positive it was by accident. Sure, some of our penalties were actually penalties, and MSU did receive some bad calls too, but that is no excuse. With ~25 sec left and one of our players hauled down in their end, that effectively was the end of the game since the puck was cleared out of the zone. Total bullshit.

ok...i'm done.[/q]

That's a good call. Forgot about that one. THAT was interference considering the puck wasn't close to him when he was taken down and it then came out of the zone. Absolutely brutal officiating tonight.

Steve Rockeu · October 30, 2005, 01:16:56 AM

Calgalri,

You are a nice kid and have a good insight to the game much of the time.

However, it is not that the puck is right there. If you hit the opposing player before he has played the puck it is interference. Long ago the rule on interference in lacrosse was much as you describe but I have not keep up with the lacrosse rules.

If I am wrong I will trust someone who has the rule book to type in the relevant passage.

Take it easy,
Steve

calgARI '07 · October 30, 2005, 01:19:38 AM

[Q]Steve Rockeu Wrote:

Calgalri,

You are a nice kid and have a good insight to the game much of the time.

However, it is not that the puck is right there. If you hit the opposing player before he has played the puck it is interference. Long ago the rule on interference in lacrosse was much as you describe but I have not keep up with the lacrosse rules.

If I am wrong I will trust someone who has the rule book to type in the relevant passage.

Take it easy,
Steve[/q]

In both instances, the player was playing the puck and Pokuluk was playing the body. When two players are skating for a loose puck, the two make contact all the time. It happened a million times tonight. Both guys leaned into one another like every other time but Pokuluk is much bigger and the other guy fell. In the NHL, that is now a penalty for some reason. Not in college. All I want is consistentcy. Saying that Feola did a good job tonight or this weekend is a far way off because he was not at all consistent. Feola wouldn't have called Pokuluk the second time if Cornell was not leading.