Cornell Sun on hockey line fiasco

[billhoward]

Nicely phrased closing to today's Daily Sun editorial:

http://www.cornellsun.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/09/28/4339f3239bee7

[q]Cornell’s men’s ice hockey program is world-class. Cornell’s hockey fans are world-class. So why should we have a system that requires that we act like savages in order to get into Lynah?

Next year, something has to change. The University should invest a little time and money into a system that has failed consistently over the past four years.

Hey athletic ticket office, the students called. They said …[/q]

[French Rage]

Question about General Admission: what if one has to go to the bathroom?  (And don't give me any of the "real fans will hold it" responses.)

[cornelldavy]

I just want to say that normally, when a link to The Sun is posted on eLF, it's usually critical and often nitpicking, and then when people come to The Sun's defense, it's typically to say that nobody ever points out that there is good writing to be found there also.

Well, thanks for pointing out some good writing.

Don't say I never appreciated a positive comment.

[Beeeej]

GA doesn't mean you lose your seat if you leave it at any time during the game, it just means the seats are available first come, first served.

Beeeej

[French Rage]

[Q]Beeeej Wrote:

 GA doesn't mean you lose your seat if you leave it at any time during the game, it just means the seats are available first come, first served.

Beeeej[/q]

Then how does one mark out their territory so as to not lose it?

[Beeeej]

I assume one relies on the people in the seats around one.  Or fisticuffs, which could be an entertaining diversion for the fifteen minutes between periods.

Beeeej

[Trotsky]

[Q]French Rage Wrote:

 [Q2]Beeeej Wrote:

 GA doesn't mean you lose your seat if you leave it at any time during the game, it just means the seats are available first come, first served.

Beeeej[/Q]
Then how does one mark out their territory so as to not lose it?[/q]

If you're leaving to go to the bathroom, I'd think that was obvious.

[redhair34]

I am a big believer of the General Admission policy.  I plan on trying to convince athletics that it is the correct way to go, and show my willingness to bring the plan to fruition.  I think you identified one of the biggest shortcomings of a GA policy.  I for one like to talk to my father and grandfather about the game durring intermissions.  It is a hard problem to solve.  

One thing I can say, is that the last two years there has been plenty of de facto general admission seating on the part of the students.

First Example: student gets into section D but stands with his friends to rows down.

Second Example: student from D gives friend from G their ticket stub and student from G stands with his friend in D.

If you did a spot check on most nights I'd be willing to bet that a third of the student section isn't in their assigned spot (it will be far more widespread this year, perhaps for good reason).  It isn't fair for the many students who obey the ticket assignment rules.  A general admissions policy would make this sort of behaivor a non issue.

[calgARI '07]

I totally agree.  I think it would get people to the games far earlier or at least the people that really care.  


[Q]redhair34 Wrote:

 I am a big believer of the General Admission policy.  I plan on trying to convince athletics that it is the correct way to go, and show my willingness to bring the plan to fruition.  I think you identified one of the biggest shortcoming of a GA policy.  I for one like to talk to my father and grandfather about the game durring intermissions.  It is a hard problem to solve.  

One thing I can say, is that the last two years there has been plenty of de facto general admission seating on the part of the students.

First Example: student gets into section D but stands with his friends to rows down.

Second Example: student from D gives friend from G their ticket stub and student from G stands with his friend in D.

If you did a spot check on most nights I'd be willing to bet that a third of the student section isn't in their assigned spot (it will be far more widespread this year, perhaps for good reason).  It isn't fair for the many students who obey the ticket assignment rules.  A general admissions policy would make this sort of behaivor a non issue.[/q]

[redhair34]

[Q]calgARI '07 Wrote:

I think it would get people to the games far earlier

[/q]

This is very important.  The "announce the line and let people line up whenever" idea doesn't address the embarrassing fact that most games the majority of students don't show up until after face-off.  A general admission policy might not fill the student section before face-off, but it would result in a lot more people showing up on time.  I've heard Schafer say that as a player there is nothing more intimidating than skating out onto the ice of an opposing rink for warm-ups when the place is packed.  Instead of trying to find a ticket policy that rewards the most deserving fans, we should try to champion a plan that rewards the most deserving fans AND makes Lynah "all it can be."  From what I can gather this is the plan that best accomplishes those two goals.

[KeithK]

The rink was general admission by section for a number of years in the 90's.  There was never a problem with people losing their seats because they went to the bathroom.  First of all most people either go with friends or at least know some of the people around them and it's unlikely that everyone is going to need to go to the bathroom at the same time (admittedly I am a guy...)  Secondly, as long as you don't head of fto the concession stand two minutes after faceoff I didn't know anyone who would try to grab your seat as soon as you got up.

So from experience this isn't a problem.

[redhair34]

[Q]KeithK Wrote:

 The rink was general admission by section for a number of years in the 90's.  There was never a problem with people losing their seats because they went to the bathroom.  First of all most people either go with friends or at least know some of the people around them and it's unlikely that everyone is going to need to go to the bathroom at the same time (admittedly I am a guy...)  Secondly, as long as you don't head of fto the concession stand two minutes after faceoff I didn't know anyone who would try to grab your seat as soon as you got up.

So from experience this isn't a problem.[/q]

Thank you.  That is good to know.  

Based on your experience, did a limited general admission policy increase the student turnout before face-off?

[Josh '99]

If anyone puts together a petition advocating some form of general admission, I'll be the first in line to sign it.

[jtwcornell91]

[Q]jmh30 Wrote:

 If anyone puts together a petition advocating some form of general admission, I'll be the first in line to sign it.[/q]

We'll be starting such a petition, but you have to listen to WVBR every night next week to find out when and where people can start signing it.  ::nut::

[Tub(a)]

[Q]cornelldavy Wrote:

 I just want to say that normally, when a link to The Sun is posted on eLF, it's usually critical and often nitpicking, and then when people come to The Sun's defense, it's typically to say that nobody ever points out that there is good writing to be found there also.

Well, thanks for pointing out some good writing.

Don't say I never appreciated a positive comment.[/q]

A broken clock is right twice a day :-P