Barry Melrose on ESPN2

[gtsully]

[Q]ithacat Wrote:

All bias aside, David should win running away. He's put up numbers that have historical implications. The 2 CC guys have had great years but their numbers aren't even close to the top 20 single season scoring marks -- 96 points gets one up to the top 20.

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David had one of the greatest seasons ever. His season's save % is now tied for 3rd all-time & his goals against average is the 2nd best all-time. This shouldn't even be close. Bring Hobey home...
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We all said the same thing about LeNeveu, but Senja still won with great but "non-historic" offensive numbers.

[Trotsky]

[Q]atb9 Wrote:Yup.  Melrose coached the old Adirondack Red Wings in Glens Falls and has a lot of connections in the Capital District and upstate NY.[/q]

And the ARW were started by, among others, Ned Harkness, so Melrose may have had direct contact with Harkness.

[dss28]

But didn't that have something to do with a goalie winning it more recently?

(edit: this was a response to gtsully's post about Leneveu/Senja)

[Will]

[Q]dss28 Wrote:

 But didn't that have something to do with a goalie winning it more recently?

(edit: this was a response to gtsully's post about Leneveu/Senja).[/q]

Michigan State's Ryan Miller won it in 2001 as I recall.  He had some outstanding numbers of his own I believe.  What we don't know is if four years is long enough for another goalie with outstanding numbers to finally win the Hobey again.

[Robb]

[Q]Will Wrote:

 [Q2]dss28 Wrote:

 But didn't that have something to do with a goalie winning it more recently?

(edit: this was a response to gtsully's post about Leneveu/Senja).[/Q]
Michigan State's Ryan Miller won it in 2001 as I recall.  He had some outstanding numbers of his own I believe.  What we don't know is if four years is long enough for another goalie with outstanding numbers to finally win the Hobey again.[/q]

Most specifically, 1.32, .95, 10 shutouts.  Compare that to McKee's 1.24, .947, and 10 shutouts (in only 35 starts - Miller had 40).  The numbers say that McKee had every bit as good of a season as Miller did - we'll all know tomorrow...

[Rich S]

Melrose coached during Dave Taylor's last year as a player (2003-04).  Not sure when Barry's last year as coach was, that may have been it.  He had taken them to the Cup finals the previous season.

I'm quite sure Melrose did not coach during Taylor's time as the GM which began a few years after he retired as a player.

IIRC, Melrose lives in the Capital District so that may account for his attendance at college  games at Union and RPI.

[billhoward]

The numbers McKee put up were "in the Ivy League," as some voters are going to remember. That's a bias against athletes from smart schools, not that CC is a vo-tech four year institution. A generation ago, it probably cost Ed Marinaro the Heisman.

ESPN may be lamenting the lack of color stories it would have had if a smart-ass Ivy school such as Harvard or Cornell had been one of the FF finalists. They'd be comparing McKee to Dryden and Ken's imcomparable four years capped with an NCAA title at both ends ... show him pheasant hunting or whipping a batch of something tasty in the hotel school to remind you there's Ivy League and then there's Ivy League ... then cut away to Dov toiling in the library stacks at Harvard ...

Maybe we're just jealous that Barry has an awesome wardrobe.

[marty]

[Q]atb9 Wrote:

 [Q2]ben03 Wrote:

 but he's the only reason we even know who barry melrose is, yup i said it, you made me say it ...[/Q]
Well, that and the mullet.[/q]

At least his suit matched the hair last night.

[DeltaOne81]

[Q]billhoward Wrote:
They'd be comparing McKee to Dryden and Ken's imcomparable four years capped with an NCAA title at both ends[/q]
Come on, Bill. I actually wouldn't be surprised if ESPN *did* say that, but I'd expect you to know better :-P

[billhoward]

Sorry, that reference was meant to be tongue in cheek (what ESPN might say) and just in case, I noted "Ken's imcomparable four years," which would not have been possible in the 1960s, to do four years at the varsity level.

But overall, didn't it seem as if the level of announcing moved up a notch compared to when they had a half dozen announcer teams scattered all over? And compared to 2-3 years ago?

[RichS]

I missed both games.   Who did the play by play and color?

Hopefully they did a better job than Edwards and the other guy whose name I can't remember...the big ex-NHL defenseman, a blond haired guy.  Those guys gave you the impression that the Frozen Four were the only college games they had seen all year!

[Josh '99]

[Q]gtsully Wrote:
We all said the same thing about LeNeveu, but Senja still won with great but "non-historic" offensive numbers.[/q]Sejna's offensive numbers (36-46-82 in 42 games, 1.95 PPG) weren't on the order of Paul Kariya's when he won in 1993 (25-75-100 in 39 games, 2.56 PPG), but they were substantially better than almost half a point per game better than Sertich (27-37-64 in 43 games, 1.49 PPG) or Sterling (34-29-63 in 43 games, 1.47 PPG).

I'm sure someone has already said this, but there would be nice symmetry if McKee won:  two years ago, CC's guy won it over our guy the day after we lost in the semifinal; this year it'd be our guy winning it over CC's guy the day after they lost in the semifinal.

[dss28]

[Q]marty Wrote:

 [Q2]atb9 Wrote:

 [Q2]ben03 Wrote:

 but he's the only reason we even know who barry melrose is, yup i said it, you made me say it ...[/Q]
Well, that and the mullet.[/Q]
At least his suit matched the hair last night.[/q]

Now someone give him a coordinated highlighter...

[billhoward]

You would not have liked Barry Melrose's studio analysis. He was a whiny, broken record, Rich - saying if the West Regional teams played any rink other than Mariucci, Cornell not Minnesota would've been in the Frozen Four.

[DeltaOne81]

[Q]billhoward Wrote:

 You would not have liked Barry Melrose's studio analysis. He was a whiny, broken record, Rich - saying if the West Regional teams played any rink other than Mariucci, Cornell not Minnesota would've been in the Frozen Four. [/q]
True enough, Bill. But I have to give RichS credit here for at least contributing to a thread without taking a shot at one or all of us. I didn't see much of the semis yesterday (work, and then I fell asleep on the couch), so I can't comment.  But I say it'd be worth building off of the actual normal comment/question RichS made, without the fair but a little harsh ribbing, however well deserved it may be.