SUCKS or Toothpaste

[Josh 03]

[Q]Killer Wrote:

 Harvard...9-8...in 5th OT[/q]

"In a game for the ages, Colgate and Harvard score 16 goals between them in 60 minutes of regulation hockey.  After that, the scoring runs dry, with the Crimson finally notching the 17th goal of the evening after nearly 100 minutes of scoreless overtime."

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

No way.

I don't want either of them thinking they can score, and I don't want anybody from either team, especially Sucks, going into any kind of statistical record books.

4-3 in double OT.  The GAA is high enough to hurt both goalies' GAAs, but no teams go in the record books except possibly for futility.

[aznxjz]

[Q]Jeff Hopkins '82 Wrote:

 No way.

I don't want either of them thinking they can score, and I don't want anybody from either team, especially Sucks, going into any kind of statistical record books.

4-3 in double OT.  The GAA is high enough to hurt both goalies' GAAs, but no teams go in the record books except possibly for futility.[/q]

By the time it got to 5-5 both sieves would've been pulled.  

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

Good point.

OK, 9-8 double OT works for me.   ::nut::

[Al DeFlorio]

[Q]KeithK Wrote:

 My general rule is root for Harvard in non-conference games out of conference loyalty, but  root against them when it's in the family, so to speak.  The ECAC tournament isn't non-conference for these purposes, so go (Red) Raiders!
[/q]
I'm with Keith.  Harvard is creeping up on us in terms of ECAC championships, and I'd like to see the gap not close any further.

[RichH]

I found rationalizing my rooting interests prior to the games rarely has had any effect on my emotional response.  Once you're in the building and the blood gets pumping, I can't control who I'm pulling for.  It just happens.  I remember going into the 2002 regionals flaunting the usual "Go ECAC" facade, but once the puck was dropped, I found myself hoping for Cantab humiliation.

Out-of-town games that I'm not watching are a different beast, especially knowing the numbers that would help my team.  I'm a big Maine fan this week!

[billhoward]

Let's see Harvard-Colgate both score and give up a lot of goals. If the hyphen gives up eight goals this weekend (two game total) while maintaining his average of about 29-30 saves a game, that would drop him out of the lead in save percentage should those just behind him maintain their current ratios.

[DeltaOne81]

[Q]RichH Wrote:

 I found rationalizing my rooting interests prior to the games rarely has had any effect on my emotional response.  Once you're in the building and the blood gets pumping, I can't control who I'm pulling for.  It just happens.  I remember going into the 2002 regionals flaunting the usual "Go ECAC" facade, but once the puck was dropped, I found myself hoping for Cantab humiliation.

Out-of-town games that I'm not watching are a different beast, especially knowing the numbers that would help my team.  I'm a big Maine fan this week![/q]
Actually, BU or UNH winning the title would help us more, although yes, definitely Maine over BC on Friday.

[jtwcornell91]

[Q]RichH Wrote:

 I found rationalizing my rooting interests prior to the games rarely has had any effect on my emotional response.  Once you're in the building and the blood gets pumping, I can't control who I'm pulling for.  It just happens.[/q]

You mean like going to the Minnesota-BU series and discovering I was rooting for BU?
 ::help::

[Ken \'70]

Playing Colgate in the final presents more options for eastern ice in the NCAAs than Harvard.  There are several scenarios where we lose to Colgate in Final but still get #1 seed.  Fewer if we lose to Harvard.

I'm a big Colgate fan on Friday.

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

Is that because Colgate winning keeps Brown a TUC and we get two more TUC wins?

[DeltaOne81]

[Q]Jeff Hopkins '82 Wrote:

 Is that because Colgate winning keeps Brown a TUC and we get two more TUC wins?[/q]
No, Colgate would have to win twice to keep Brown a TUC. Which is while I'll root for Colgate on Friday. Having them in the final (hopefully against us) would mean that even if we were to lose to them in the final, there's the 'upside' of it keeping Brown a TUC.

Losing to Harvard would likely hurt more because there's a greater chance it could flip the comparison between us & Harvard, as it would give them an additional H2H win. That, plus flipping RPI, would give Harvard the comparison. Its just a guess, but it makes the most sense to me.

[Will]

[Q]DeltaOne81 Wrote:

 [Q2]Jeff Hopkins '82 Wrote:

 Is that because Colgate winning keeps Brown a TUC and we get two more TUC wins?[/Q]
No, Colgate would have to win twice to keep Brown a TUC. Which is while I'll root for Colgate on Friday. Having them in the final (hopefully against us) would mean that even if we were to lose to them in the final, there's the 'upside' of it keeping Brown a TUC.

Losing to Harvard would likely hurt more because there's a greater chance it could flip the comparison between us & Harvard, as it would give them an additional H2H win. That, plus flipping RPI, would give Harvard the comparison. Its just a guess, but it makes the most sense to me.[/q]

Okay, but on the positive side, does Cornell benefit more from winning the tournament against Harvard or Colgate in the final game?

[DeltaOne81]

I haven't looked extensively, but I don't think it'd make much of a difference.

Both would count as 1 TUC win and the RPIStrength of the two teams are very similar (.6373 vs. .6340). The only other difference it would make would be COp. Colgate doesn't seem to have any COp of interest. Harvard does, and that would be BC and BU. But we already win the COp with both those teams, so winning isn't a help, while losing could be a hurt.

So there we go, trying to analyze the difference in winning I came up with nothing significant, while I found another reason it would be better to lose to Gate than Sucks (because losing to Sucks makes us lose the COp with BC while Gate doesn't effect it).

[ugarte]

Assuming that by the time they drop the puck for semi #2 we care*, Harvard is probably the better team, so Go 'Gate.

*I understand that there could be some ramifications from the outcome of the consy if we are in it. I don't care about them. If we lose the ECACHL championship my focus will immediately turn to where Cornell is placed in the first round of the NCAAs, but not what the other games mean. I'll just nod when I hear where we are going.