Polls 2/28

[dbilmes]

USCHO poll...so close!

February 28, 2005

   Team        (First Place)    Record  Pts   Last Week
 1 Colorado College     (12)    25-6-3  556     2
 2 Cornell              (21)    22-4-3  553     2
 3 Denver                (4)    23-8-2  523     1
 4 Michigan              (3)    24-7-3  488     4
 5 Boston College               20-6-6  470     5
 6 Wisconsin                   21-10-3  339     6
 7 New Hampshire                22-8-4  334     7
 8 Ohio State                   23-8-3  319     8
 9 Minnesota                   22-12-1  274    12
10 Boston University           20-11-3  212     9
11 Harvard                      18-8-3  186    11
12 Maine                       18-10-6  171    14
13 Mass.-Lowell                 19-9-4  117    10
14 Northern Michigan            18-9-7   91    15
15 Dartmouth                   17-10-2   55    NR

Others Receiving Votes: North Dakota 54, Colgate 48, 
Vermont 7, Nebraska-Omaha 3

[ben03]

it looks like the eastern voters like the Red and the western voters like all but ... although IMO CC is the best team in the country regardless of our 13-0-1 streak. if we take care of our business we'll end up right where we belong, #2 ... and we should all know by now these things are absolutely meaningless :-)

[Beeeej]

And USA Today's:

(as of February 28)

    TEAM                        PTS    Record    Last week
    ----                        ---    ------    ---------
t1. Colorado (15)               483    25-6-3         1
t1. Cornell (12)                483    22-4-3         3
3.  Denver (2)                  429    23-8-2         2
4.  Michigan                    411    24-7-3         4
5.  Boston College              396    20-6-6         5
6.  Ohio State                  301    23-8-3         8
7.  Wisconsin                   290    21-10-3        6
8.  New Hampshire               287    22-8-4         7
9.  Minnesota                   246    22-12-1       12
10. Boston University           191    20-11-3       10
11. Harvard                     151    18-8-3        11
12. Maine                       146    18-10-6       14
13. Massachusetts-Lowell        104    19-9-4         9
14. Northern Michigan            76    18-9-7        15  
t15. Dartmouth                   29    17-10-2       NR
t15. North Dakota                29    17-13-4       NR

Others receiving votes: Colgate, 25; Nebraska Omaha 2; 
Quinnipiac.

[Trotsky]

Poll history through 2004-05: http://www.tbrw.info/2005/polls/2005_poll_history.html

[Jay]

 1 Colorado College                483 (15)   1   25-6-3   22
   Cornell University              483 (17)   3   22-4-3   20
 3 University of Denver            429 (2)    2   23-8-2   22
 4 University of Michigan          411        4   24-7-3   22
 5 Boston College                  396        5   20-6-6   22
 6 The Ohio State University       301        8   23-8-3   20
 7 University of Wisconsin         290        6  21-10-3   22
 8 University of New Hampshire     287        7   22-8-4   22
 9 University of Minnesota         246       12  22-12-1   22
10 Boston University               191       10  20-11-3   14
11 Harvard University              151       11   18-8-3   11
12 University of Maine             146       14  18-10-6   21
13 Univ. of Massachusetts Lowell   104        9   19-9-4   10
14 Northern Michigan University     76       15   18-9-7    5
15 Dartmouth College                29       NR  17-10-2    7
   University of North Dakota       29       NR  17-13-4   21

Looks like USA Today made a mistake when they posted on their website...this is from USCHO.  Back on top with the most #1 votes.

[Will]

We don't want the target.  We don't want the target.  We don't want the target.

[Killer]

And if you look at the Individual Comparisons Table of the PWR, without throwing in any bonus points, no one of the top 5 teams comes out ahead of all the others.  Take any one and you can come up with a path that makes them the winner:

Cornell tops BC, which tops Colorado College, which tops Denver, which tops Minnesota, which tops Cornell...

Looks like anyone's game to me.

[KeithK]

[q] We don't want the target. We don't want the target. We don't want the target.[/q]Sure we do.  The target is good for you.  Good publcity.  Was it a bad thing that we were #1 going into the tournament in 2003?  (Well, that was PWR IIRC and only #2 in polls I think.) Did that have anything to do with us losing in Buffalo?  No.  I'll take all the good press the program can get.  Just don't be too quick to believe the publicity.

[andyw2100]

[Q]KeithK Wrote:
Was it a bad thing that we were #1 going into the tournament in 2003?  (Well, that was PWR IIRC and only #2 in polls I think.) [/q]

I am almost positive that we were number 1 in the polls going into the NCAA tourney. Or in the very least number 1 in the polls going into the Frozen Four. I recall hearing that that was the first time  in our history that we were ever ranked number 1, including National Championship years.
                         Andy W.

[Josh '99]

[Q]andyw2100 Wrote:
I am almost positive that we were number 1 in the polls going into the NCAA tourney. Or in the very least number 1 in the polls going into the Frozen Four. I recall hearing that that was the first time  in our history that we were ever ranked number 1, including National Championship years.[/q]In the March 17th, 2003 USCHO poll (before conference tournaments), CC was #1 with 35 of 40 first place votes, Cornell was #2 with the remaining 5.
http://www.uscho.com/rankings/?data=uscho1m&season=20022003&week=0317

In the March 25, 2003 ("Final") USCHO poll (between conference tournaments and regionals), Cornell was #1 with 28 first place votes, CC was #2 with the remaining 12.
http://www.uscho.com/rankings/?data=uscho1m&season=20022003&week=0325

[Chris 02]

Yeah, in the final USCHO and USA today polls (post-ECAC tournament), the Monday after selection Sunday, we were #1

http://www.tbrw.info/2003/polls/2003_poll_history.html

[KeithK]

I stand corrected.  My point holds regardless.  That #1 ranking was nothing but positive for Cornell and it would be the same this year.

It will be interesting to see what happens in the polls this week since Cornell is off and Denver and CC play each other.  If either team manages to sweep I expect that team to be the consensus #1 (and deservedly so).  If the series is split, then it's an open question.  Cornell could sneak up to #1 or drop to #3 if the two games were close and competitive.

[dss28]

Forgive me, but I'm going to sound like an idiot here...

I'm confused.  It looks to me as though we had more first place votes than did CC... yet we're #2?  And I know, arguments can be made "well, we didn't want to be #1 anyway" or "well, we're #1 anyway" or "well, another poll has us at #1" or "well, another poll doesn't have us at #1" or "well, the PWR is all that matters now" or... ad nauseum...

But can someone at least explain the 21 vs 12 first place votes thing to me?

[ben03]

does anyone else find it the least bit interesting the same two teams are atop both polls splitting votes as was the case at the end of the '02-03 season? it's been mentioned above and i echo the sentiment any exposure for the program (deserved or not) is good exposure ... and noting it's happening on a consistant basis should be telling to those who think the Red are a fluke.

[Beeeej]

In theory, you get 15 points for a first-place vote, 14 for a second place vote, etc.

So if we got 21 first place votes and all our other votes were for eleventh place, for instance, we'd come in lower than a team with 12 first place votes all of whose other votes were for second place.

Obviously that's an extreme case, but it illustrates the point.  We probably got a bunch of third and fourth place votes, where Colorado College got mostly second place votes.

Beeeej