Saturday 2/26 other scores

[jtwcornell91]

If UAA wins, they become a TUC and add 0-2-1 to Minnesota's record vs TUCs.  This alone is not enough to flip the criterion and thus the comparison and bump us up to #5, but it helps.  For instance if UAA wins and you make Sacred Heart a TUC, we win the Minnesota comparison and go to #4.

So go Seawolves!

[Jacob '06]

[Q]jtwcornell91 Wrote:

 If UAA wins, they become a TUC and add 0-2-1 to Minnesota's record vs TUCs.  This alone is not enough to flip the criterion and thus the comparison and bump us up to #5, but it helps.  For instance if UAA wins and you make Sacred Heart a TUC, we win the Minnesota comparison and go to #4.

So go Seawolves![/q]

Either way, a 4-5 matchup of cornell and minn is the worst situation possible for those of us hoping to see cornell go to an eastern regional.

[Trotsky]

If the prime directive is that higher #1s travel least, then why wouldn't the two higher WCHA seeds gobble up the two western regional #1s (one of them to their detriment, since they might have to deal with a road QF at Minny), leaving the two eastern regional #1s to BC (or somebody) and Cornell?

[DeltaOne81]

[Q]Trotsky Wrote:

 If the prime directive is that higher #1s travel least, then why wouldn't the two higher WCHA seeds gobble up the two western regional #1s (one of them to their detriment, since they might have to deal with a road QF at Minny), leaving the two eastern regional #1s to BC (or somebody) and Cornell?

Edited 1 times. Last edit at 02/27/05 12:20AM by Trotsky.[/q]
That would be the case if we end up a #1. If we end up 5th, we'd be a #2.

They'd want to put 4 and 5 together in a bracket to have the "ideal" matchups, so if we're 5 and Minn is 4, we'd have to be in their bracket.

Now, Minn is the host, which means they have to play at Mariucci.

So if we end up 5 with Minn 4, we would very likely go to Mariucci.

The only way around that would be if the committee decided to do us a big favor and move us east for attendence reasons, but I'd rather not hang my hat on that.

[Jacob '06]

I'm pretty sure if we are 4-5 in either order with minny, we will end up at mariucci which would be unfortunate.

[jtwcornell91]

[Q]DeltaOne81 Wrote:

 [Q2]Trotsky Wrote:

 If the prime directive is that higher #1s travel least, then why wouldn't the two higher WCHA seeds gobble up the two western regional #1s (one of them to their detriment, since they might have to deal with a road QF at Minny), leaving the two eastern regional #1s to BC (or somebody) and Cornell?

Edited 1 times. Last edit at 02/27/05 12:20AM by Trotsky.[/Q]
That would be the case if we end up a #1. If we end up 5th, we'd be a #2.

They'd want to put 4 and 5 together in a bracket to have the "ideal" matchups, so if we're 5 and Minn is 4, we'd have to be in their bracket.

Now, Minn is the host, which means they have to play at Mariucci.

So if we end up 5 with Minn 4, we would very likely go to Mariucci.

The only way around that would be if the committee decided to do us a big favor and move us east for attendence reasons, but I'd rather not hang my hat on that.[/q]

This is why it's very important for us to get into the top 4 in PWR.  If the top four are CC, DU, BC, and Cornell, we will be in Amherst.  If we are #5 and Minnesota #4, all else being equal we'll end up in Minneapolis.

[jtwcornell91]

[Q]Jacob '06 Wrote:

 I'm pretty sure if we are 4-5 in either order with minny, we will end up at mariucci which would be unfortunate.[/q]

That of which you are pretty sure is not true.  Read this: http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/iceHockey/2005/2005_d1_m_ice_hockey_handbook.pdf

Page 12 says how they fill the bracket:

[Q]
1. The top four teams, as ranked by the committee, are the four No. 1 regional seeds and will be placed in the bracket so that if all four teams advance to the Men s Frozen Four, the No. 1 seed will play the No. 4 seed and the No. 2 seed will play the No. 3 seed in the semi nals.

2. Host institutions that qualify will be placed at home.

3. No. 1 seeds are placed as close to home as possible, in order of their ranking 1-4.
[/Q]

Note that putting the lowest #1 seed in the same regional as the highest #2 seed is not a priority in this list, let alone a higher priority than putting the #1 seeds in nearby regionals.

Suppose the top five are 1. CC 2. DU 3. BC 4. Cornell 5. Minnesota.  Then the placement goes like this:

* Minnesota is placed in Minneapolis
* CC is placed in Minneapolis
* DU is placed in Grand Rapids
* BC is placed in Worcester
* Cornell is placed in Amherst

The only thing that would screw this up would be if BU ends up a #4 seed, in which case BC can't go to Worcester, and in that case Cornell would end up in Worcester.  (If BU and Amherst are both #4 seeds, I guess BC would go to Grand Rapids to avoid the first-round matchup.)

[jtwcornell91]

Final: Alaska-Anchorage 1, Michigan Tech 0.  Root for both of them next weekend.

[Jacob '06]

I just got the impression from earlier posts in other threads that bracket integrity was most important, and minn is definitely in mariucci. Would they really make the 1 or 2 seed face the 5 seed in their regional?

[puff]

According to some people (particularly out west), pulling cornell as the #5 seed would be better than potentially what 6-8 could be. Because we are sooo overrated ::nut::.

[jtwcornell91]

[Q]Jacob '06 Wrote:

 I just got the impression from earlier posts in other threads that bracket integrity was most important, and minn is definitely in mariucci. Would they really make the 1 or 2 seed face the 5 seed in their regional?[/q]

People are misusing the term "bracket integrity".  To the committee that just means the four #1 seeds each have to face #4 seeds and the four #2 seeds each have to face #3 seeds in the first round.  Bracketing the teams 1-16 overall, which seems to be called "competitive equity", is desirable but secondary to the requirements laid out in the list in the document I linked, e.g., keeping hosts at home, putting the #1 seeds in nearby regionals, and preserving the 1/2/3/4 seeds in each regional.  We don't know where it stands next to other desirable goals like maximizing attendance.

[jtwcornell91]

[Q]puff Wrote:

 According to some people (particularly out west), pulling cornell as the #5 seed would be better than potentially what 6-8 could be. Because we are sooo overrated .[/q]

We may be overrated to the extent that we should be #7 rather than #5 or #3.  No shame in that.  It's complete nonsense to assert we don't belong in the top 10.

[puff]

I definately agree with that. But you never know, of the top 8 team some teams might think they would want to play us if given the choice. But really who in thier right mind wants to face a solid team on a streak with a good goalie whose on fire?

[DeltaOne81]

Okay, so a few ideas for routing this upcoming weekend:

1) SLU sweeps to keep them quite safely a TUC
2) Brown sweeps to keep them with a chance of being a TUC
3) UAA sweeps UAF - important if they are to stay a TUC - although 3 out of 4 points might be okay
4) UND sweeps SCSU, on the off chance that SCSU could drop out of TUC status. Minn's 2
"TUC wins" (and I use that term lightly for a team well under .500) over them this weekend are currently the difference as to why they're ahead of us this weekend.
5) Of course hope MTU get can a win or more against Minn.


6) For the weekend after, in the WCHA postseason, I find it interesting that it is quite likely that Minn and UAA will square off in the first round. Minn is currently 4th and UAA is 7th. Both UAA and MSU-Mankato, the only team that could pass them, are done with their WCHA schedules. Minn is 4th and 2 points behind #3 Wisconsin. Wisconsin plays today and could open that up to 4 points with 2 games left. Then, any point that the Badgers get over MSU next weekend would seal the Minn-UAA matchup.

Considering UAA went 1-0-1 their last weekend at Minn, if they could even get one more at Minn in the first round, that would be helpful and help keep them a TUC. We can only pray for UAA maybe even taking that series :-D

7) I'm routing for Dartmouth too so they can keep their at large bid hopes alive - which are in pretty good shape right now at #9, but things are volatile. The only ECAC 1st round series that doesn't matter for the NCAA tournament is Union/Clarkson.

[jtwcornell91]

Also root for Maine to keep them in the top 15 of the raw RPI and preserve our one "quality win".