2/5 cornell v 'gate postgame

[Will]

Have we received any players from the Canadian U18 team in the last decade or so?  I don't seem to recall seeing anyone from there in the last five or six years, though I could be wrong.

[profudge]

They were a Midget team from just North of Toronto - They liked the game and really enjoyed the experience of Lynah - talked to a couple of the kids walking out of rink -

Sasha went off ice to locker romm in first period holding arm and in some amount of pain.  We played with 5 d'men rest of way - Jeremy, Charlie, Ryan, Dan, Doug did a good job over all hoping Jon is back soon.     Downs and Cook were outstanding!  and this was evident towards the end -  

I thought one of the Colgate goals was scored when our defender was held and obstructed behind the net allowing a gate player to walk out with the puck - but was at far end of rink from me (I am in Section N) and hard to see for sure - any comment?

Did any one else see the neck hook put on Scott just as he screamed across the blue line on the attack late in the game (pulled him down right off his skates)?  no call even though right in front of Assist. Ref. -  Dell on far boards could not see it worth beans?

Game was hard fought by both teams!  and would love a re-match in playoffs.  'Gate has real skating speed and toughness, best team I have seen us play this year by far!

[Brian]

Trust me it was not the U-18 team.  All the players had italian last names and I would believe Gleed that they were not the U-18 team.  He seemed to have first hand knowledge of who they were.  I'm not really sure what the injury was to Gleed, I never really asked him but he seems very straight forward with people, I'm sure he would tell you if you see him around campus.

[jeh25]

[Q]andyw2100 Wrote:

 I've been home from the game for a little while. Just finished reading through posts here, and haven't seen this mentioned.

Apparently Pokulok broke his elbow early in the first period. We saw him go off the ice at the first stoppage after he was injured. Between the first and second periods, the woman who sits next to me heard from Dave McKee's father that Pokulok had broken his elbow. I'd love it if this info turns out to be incorrect, but if it is correct this may prove to be a very costly tie.
                        Andy W.[/q]

And I heard from my sister's cousin's ex-boyfriend's roommate's mom that Ferris needs a liver transplant.....

His elbow isn't broken, but that's all I'm saying since Sasha has a right to privacy with regard to his medical status.

In the future, please try to be more respectful of this.

[BCrespi]

But would a U-18 national team really wear their jerseys to a college game?  I find that hard to believe.  Seems much more like a youth-league thing to do.

[atb9]

[Q]jeh25 Wrote:

And I heard from my sister's cousin's ex-boyfriend's roommate's mom that Ferris needs a liver transplant.....

His elbow isn't broken, but that's all I'm saying since Sasha has a right to privacy with regard to his medical status.

In the future, please try to be more respectful of this.[/q]

So you're down to 46 mpg?  :-P

Coach will comment when it's time to do so

[andyw2100]

I do not think I was infringing on Pokulok's "medical privacy" by simply restating here what about 30 people in Section C heard when this woman returned for the start of the second period. I stated my source, and hers, for anyone inclined to question the validity of the information, and so that it would not be taken as the gospel truth. Pokulok was injured in a very public way. He is a public figure. I was just trying to share the information I had about that injury with other interested parties. I'm sure "The Ithaca Journal" will have a story about it in Monday's paper. So the bottom line is I don't feel I did anything wrong in reporting what I heard.

Now if I had been talking about the syphillis that Silverthorn caught from coach Vaughn, that might be wrong...
                                       Andy W.

[Avash]

[Q]andyw2100 Wrote:

I'm sure "The Ithaca Journal" will have a story about it in Monday's paper. [/q]


I bet they won't.

[KenP]

Do we really have to go through this each time? ::rolleyes::

1.  HIPAA -- it's not our right to know
2.  Major injuries, e.g. broken bones, major knee issues, etc. -- gossiping about a potentially season-ending injury isn't going to sabotage the team.  If it's true the point is moot.  If it's not, see the next point.
3.  Minor injuries, e.g. muscle tears, sprains, etc.  -- keep your mouth shut.  Don't pass along information that other teams can use.

Give Andy a break.

[Tom Lento]

They may look like the Canadian U-18 jerseys, but I saw them as they got off of their bus and piled into the rink.  They were wearing their youth team jerseys.  I vaguely remember them saying Toronto something or other, and one of the parents said something about being from Toronto.  Also, unless I'm older than I thought, those kids were a little young to be on the Canadian U-18, since U-18 is typically made up of 17 and 18 year olds with the occasionaly 16 year old.

[atb9]

[Q]andyw2100 Wrote:
He is a public figure.
[/q]

This is the only real problem I have.  He's not a public figure, he's a student-athlete.  That's way below professional athlete, which still isn't a public figure.

[Q]andyw2100 Wrote:
I'm sure "The Ithaca Journal" will have a story about it in Monday's paper. [/q]

Avash took care of this one and if you look at the recap Avash wrote for USCHO, which is written after he speaks with the players and coaches, there is not one mention of Pokulok.  That says a lot to me.

I agree that Andy got jumped on a little bit (I love speculation to pass the time), and I'm sorry if I was one of those (I hope I wasn't!), but it's important for others to know that it has to be taken with a grain of salt.  It's not always clear that specific information like that, passed on by rumor, is not fact--it should be clear, but it isn't.

[ugarte]

[Q]KenP Wrote:

 Do we really have to go through this each time?  

1.  HIPAA -- it's not our right to know
2.  Major injuries, e.g. broken bones, major knee issues, etc. -- gossiping about a potentially season-ending injury isn't going to sabotage the team.  If it's true the point is moot.  If it's not, see the next point.
3.  Minor injuries, e.g. muscle tears, sprains, etc.  -- keep your mouth shut.  Don't pass along information that other teams can use.

Give Andy a break.
[/q]Why do we have to go through this each time?

1) It isn't about a right to know, it is about a desire to know. Cornell hockey is what we talk about here. Injuries to Cornell players is something that people here want to know about. Rumors are part of that. If there is a discussion going on in Ithaca about whether a player is or isn't injured, I'd like to hear it. I don't want the doctors revealing the information, but if a player/equipment manager/groupie has information, HIPPA is besides the point.

2) Major injuries will be made public in one way or another. Gossip doesn't affect it, but I don't feel any particular obligation to not listen to the rumors.

3) I am sure that each school has a crack team of investigators trolling the fansites of the opposition, searching for information on injuries... This is what we do. A lot of you choose to be offended; I am not. I am the market for information like this. I don't spread it because I have no insider knowledge but I don't mind when someone else - who may - does so.

Adam - the players on the team are student-athletes AND public figures. Think about how much time we spend talking about them. The attention and borderline reverence is part of why the players come to Cornell. I think that they have a right to expect that we will not look up their files at Gannett. They don't have any expectation that when they skate off the ice clutching their arm - and don't return - that we will refrain from talking about it.

[andyw2100]

I did not realize what a can of worms I was opening. And I do appreciate the couple of people who have suggested that perhaps I was jumped on a bit harshly. But now I also have to disagree with one of them.


[Q]atb9 Wrote:

 [Q2]andyw2100 Wrote:
He is a public figure.
[/Q]
This is the only real problem I have.  He's not a public figure, he's a student-athlete.  That's way below professional athlete, which still isn't a public figure.[/Q2]


Adam stated that he did not agree with my statement that Pokulok was a public figure. I found this definition on the web: (admittedly, after posting)

"public figure

noun {C}

someone who is famous because of what they do, and is written about in newspapers and magazines or is often on television or the radio"

Here is the URL, for anyone inclined to think I may have made up the above:
http://www.freesearch.co.uk/dictionary/public+figure

Obviously using this definition Pokulok --is-- a public figure.



[Q]atb9 Wrote:


[Q2]andyw2100 Wrote:
I'm sure "The Ithaca Journal" will have a story about it in Monday's paper. [/Q]
Avash took care of this one and if you look at the recap Avash wrote for USCHO, which is written after he speaks with the players and coaches, there is not one mention of Pokulok.  That says a lot to me. [/B][/q][/Q2]

I don't understand this. It sounds like Avash is a journalist of sorts. If he wrote a recap of a game, in which one of the starting players leaves the ice with an injury in the first few minutes of the game and does not return, without any reference to this whatsoever in his piece, then I think he may need to take Journalism 101 again.
                            Andy W.

[atb9]

[Q]andyw2100 Wrote:

I did not realize what a can of worms I was opening. And I do appreciate the couple of people who have suggested that perhaps I was jumped on a bit harshly. But now I also have to disagree with one of them.

Adam stated that he did not agree with my statement that Pokulok was a public figure. I found this definition on the web: (admittedly, after posting)

"public figure

noun {C}

someone who is famous because of what they do, and is written about in newspapers and magazines or is often on television or the radio"

Here is the URL, for anyone inclined to think I may have made up the above:


Obviously using this definition Pokulok --is-- a public figure. [/q]

Fair enough...as I back track but still try to maintain a weak stance...  ;-)  I just don't know enough about this topic..."save me, jebus!"

There must be different degrees of "public figure" then.  Take the President for example.  You can use his picture at will--that was what was confusing me, I thought of the President as the ultimate public figure.  A professional athlete is a public figure but you can't use his likeness at will.  A student athlete playing for the University of Miami football team is under much more scrutiny than one at Cornell.

Is Pokulok a public figure on the Cornell campus or only when he hops into his skates?  There's no need to continue this because by that definition he is a public figure, but he's an 18 year old kid (the kicker for me) that doesn't walk around campus in jersey and helmet so he's able to go to school in moderate anonymity.

[Q]andyw2100 Wrote:
I don't understand this. It sounds like Avash is a journalist of sorts. If he wrote a recap of a game, in which one of the starting players leaves the ice with an injury in the first few minutes of the game and does not return, without any reference to this whatsoever in his piece, then I think he may need to take Journalism 101 again.
                            Andy W.[/q]

Avash can respond to this one (maybe Bill?)...My guess (speculation kills time) is that journalists maintain a relationship with their sources and if they don't want you to write about something (this is sports not war and peace) then you don't.

[atb9]

[Q]ugarte Wrote:

 [Q2]KenP Wrote:

 Do we really have to go through this each time?  

1.  HIPAA -- it's not our right to know
2.  Major injuries, e.g. broken bones, major knee issues, etc. -- gossiping about a potentially season-ending injury isn't going to sabotage the team.  If it's true the point is moot.  If it's not, see the next point.
3.  Minor injuries, e.g. muscle tears, sprains, etc.  -- keep your mouth shut.  Don't pass along information that other teams can use.

Give Andy a break.
[/Q]
Why do we have to go through this each time?

1) It isn't about a right to know, it is about a desire to know. Cornell hockey is what we talk about here. Injuries to Cornell players is something that people here want to know about. Rumors are part of that. If there is a discussion going on in Ithaca about whether a player is or isn't injured, I'd like to hear it. I don't want the doctors revealing the information, but if a player/equipment manager/groupie has information, HIPPA is besides the point.

2) Major injuries will be made public in one way or another. Gossip doesn't affect it, but I don't feel any particular obligation to not listen to the rumors.

3) I am sure that each school has a crack team of investigators trolling the fansites of the opposition, searching for information on injuries... This is what we do. A lot of you choose to be offended; I am not. I am the market for information like this. I don't spread it because I have no insider knowledge but I don't mind when someone else - who may - does so.

Adam - the players on the team are student-athletes AND public figures. Think about how much time we spend talking about them. The attention and borderline reverence is part of why the players come to Cornell. I think that they have a right to expect that we will not look up their files at Gannett. They don't have any expectation that when they skate off the ice clutching their arm - and don't return - that we will refrain from talking about it.[/q]

Very good explanation, bra, especially the part about HIPPA and gossip.  Thanks!