Cornell-Union Postgame Thread

[calgARI '07]

Clutching and grabbing is something the Union players did to perfection.  The officials are failing miserably to stop obstruction after the original crackdown.  They only call physical contact now.

[Jim Hyla]

[Q]Steve M Wrote: More than 3 strides before a check is charging.  It sounds like the correct call was made, a 2 min. penalty, rather than the major the Union announcers were calling for. Edited 1 times. Last edit at 01/15/05 11:12AM by Steve M.[/q]True, but only if you're skating right up to the check. If you stop and glide into the man how can you call it? After all, it always takes more than three strides to get up ice. Now, I wasn't there and didn't see if he stopped skating before the check, but if he didn't then five is too many.

[calgARI '07]

Sawada took his strides at center ice and gliding through the offensive zone before hammering the Union player.  It was not a charge.

[Greg Berge]

Credit where it's due.  http://cornellbigred.collegesports.com/sports/m-hockey/sched/corn-m-hockey-sched.html has an archive of the audio, which promptly cuts out with about 11 mins to go in regulation.  That's truth in advertising. ;-)

[Steve M]

[Q]Chris '03 Wrote:

 [Q2]Steve M Wrote:

  I've never heard of a 5 min. charging penalty.



Edited 1 times. Last edit at 01/15/05 11:12AM by Steve M.[/Q]
Like other penalties, a vicious charge will get 5. It's not terribly common, but with the seemingly increased frequency of majors this season, it'll probably pop up more often. It happened as recently as october in D1:
"The Minutemen's difficulties included a five-minute major charging call on Zech Klann in the first period that resulted in two Clarkson goals."

[/q]

I stand corrected, but I would be surprised if this isn't a relatively new thing.  In my 30+ years of following hockey, I never saw a 5 min. charging.  I guess I need to read more recaps of ECAC games.

:-P

[billhoward]

I think the possibility of 5 mins for charging gives the ref an option that he can exercise only rarely.

[KeithK]

I can't cite a rule (and I'm too lazy to look) by I expect anytime the ref thinks that there is intent to injure he can call a major.

[ben03]

[Q]KeithK Wrote:
 I can't cite a rule (and I'm too lazy to look) by I expect anytime the ref thinks that there is intent to injure he can call a major.[/q]A:From the summary of penalties page w/in the NCAA Men's Rules states: "The referee has the discretion to call a minor or a major for the following penalties: Boarding, Charging, Charging the Goalkeeper, Clipping, Cross checking, Elbowing, Hitting after the whistle, Hitting from behind, Kneeing, and Slashing."

*notice that charging is listed as a discretionary minor/major*

[Q]Disqualification Penalties

SECTION 5. a. A disqualification penalty, consisting of suspension for the remainder of the game plus a major penalty, shall be assessed to any player who fights, attempts to injure an opponent or commits other serious penalties as outlined in these rules before the start of the game, during or after the game. When coincidental disqualification penalties are assessed against an equal number of players of each team, the teams then shall be permitted substitutions on the ice for the penalized players. The offending player may not go to the penalty bench and may not, for the duration of the penalty (including any progressive game-disqualification penalty), occupy any area designated or reserved for players, and may not communicate or contact team personnel in any manner for the duration of the disqualification penalty(s). A substitute, other than a spare goalkeeper, must enter the penalty bench immediately in the place of the disqualified player(s) and enter the game after the five-minute penalty(s) has elapsed.

A player may be assessed more than one disqualification penalty in a game.

b . The progressive game-disqualification structure shall be:
( 1 ) First disqualification penalty ”that game plus one.

( 2 ) Second disqualification penalty that game plus two.

( 3 ) Third disqualification penalty that game plus three.

( 4 ) Fourth disqualification penalty that game plus four.

(The progression shall continue after the fourth disqualification penalty.)

c . Progressive game-disqualification penalties shall carry over to the next season for players with remaining eligibility.

d . The team of the disqualified player(s) shall be permitted to dress a substitute player or players (equal to the number of disqualified players) in the next scheduled game.

e . A player who receives a disqualification penalty in any game (including exhibition games)shall not be permitted to play in the teams next played regular-season or tournament game against an NCAA member institution. Exhibition games cannot be used to fulfill the disqualification penalty.[/Q]

[Steve M]

Thanks for the info Ben.

[David Harding]

[Q]Steve M Wrote:

 [Q2]Chris '03 Wrote:

 [Q2]Steve M Wrote:

  I've never heard of a 5 min. charging penalty.



Edited 1 times. Last edit at 01/15/05 11:12AM by Steve M.[/Q]
Like other penalties, a vicious charge will get 5. It's not terribly common, but with the seemingly increased frequency of majors this season, it'll probably pop up more often. It happened as recently as october in D1:
"The Minutemen's difficulties included a five-minute major charging call on Zech Klann in the first period that resulted in two Clarkson goals."

[/Q]
I stand corrected, but I would be surprised if this isn't a relatively new thing.  In my 30+ years of following hockey, I never saw a 5 min. charging.  I guess I need to read more recaps of ECAC games.

 [/q]

From the 1969 NCAA Ice Hockey Guide (with Keith Magnuson on the cover):
"Rule 12, Section 5.  There shall be no:
(a) Pushing, charging, or body checking an opponent into the side or end boards or goal cages.
PENALTY - MINOR,  For flagrant violation - MAJOR."