Cornell-Union Postgame Thread

[jy3]

onion played well tonight, i was impressed overall. outworked in the beginning of the first but then seemed to outhustle cornell at times but they either had almost goal or very weak shots, mostly very weak shots i thought. mckee came up big a few times. as mentioned, dupree was aweful. i hope not all games this year are being officiated like this one. and it was both ways, a few phantom calls including the elbowing and the tripping. he didnt raise his hand on the charging call until he saw that the onion player was not getting up. the too many men calls were good. he also missed calls both ways. main thing was that he would allow something to go on most of the game and then decide to call a penalty on it - not very consistent.

overall the team worked hard but after the first 10 minutes of the first seemed to not be as aggressive until the end of the game. plenty of shots (i think the official shot count was WAY off). a few miscommunications on defense with no one covering a trailer or 2 people covering the same guy on a break but mckee was there to stop any advances.

unfortunately cant make the game tomorrow so this will likely be my only game this year - and what a game it was. a shorty to win it in OT. crazy.

LGR!
also, as of right now, 'gate and havhahd in the top ten in the computers with cornell tied at 11. couple games not done yet (cc and und).

[atb9]

CC won 2-1.  :-D

[CowbellGuy]

It's definitely scored as empty net when the goalie makes it to the bench and a skater comes on, but I've never seen a box score when it's for less than 7 or 8 seconds. If it's less, they just don't bother to count it. If the goalie's on the bench and the puck goes in the net, it's not counted against the goalie.

[jkahn]

[Q]billhoward Wrote:

 And for one more random fact: When was Cornell's last SHG to win an OT game? Was it in Lynah or maybe on Beebe Lake? [/q]

Not sure it was the last, but in Jan. '71 Jim Higgs scored shorthanded to beat Harvard at Lynah.   Kevin Pettit had tied the game after we pulled our goalie (Cropper).  The win kept a four-year home winning streak alive.

[atb9]

Care to share your thoughts, Age? :-D   You were sitting closer to the home goal (with a lot less Union fans ;-) ) than me and were higher up than Ari.  You probably had a great view of all of the big Sawada hits...

Apparently the Union radio guys said Sawada took 5 or 6 strides before charging the Union player during the first period, and they were calling for a five minute major.  And from my awkward angle, it looked like a forearm shiver, and not an elbow, to the sternum, not the head, during the third period.

Yeah, I'm still worked up by the game and can't sleep.

[calgARI '07]

I'm sure the Union radio guys wanted a major because the player was down on the ice.  This is not the first time we have seen a player down on the ice after a big hit and then they cruise off the ice with no problem after a couple minutes.  The guy staying down at Vermont dictated the DQ for Moulson rather than the warranted game misconduct.  I watched Sawada the whole way in, seeing him line up the hit and he absolutely did take five or six strides, but they were in the neutral zone.  Dupree called him for charging because he was moving so fast into the hit and the player had his head down.  The second penalty was also a totally clean check from where I was sitting.  

[billhoward]

[Q]jkahn Wrote:

 [Q2]billhoward Wrote:

 And for one more random fact: When was Cornell's last SHG to win an OT game? Was it in Lynah or maybe on Beebe Lake? [/Q]
Not sure it was the last, but in Jan. '71 Jim Higgs scored shorthanded to beat Harvard at Lynah.   Kevin Pettit had tied the game after we pulled our goalie (Cropper).  The win kept a four-year home winning streak alive.[/q]

Could it be 33 years since our last SH OT winning goal? Wasn't that a fluke goal from outside the blue line?

[Al DeFlorio]

[Q]jkahn Wrote:

 [Q2]billhoward Wrote:

 And for one more random fact: When was Cornell's last SHG to win an OT game? Was it in Lynah or maybe on Beebe Lake? [/Q]
Not sure it was the last, but in Jan. '71 Jim Higgs scored shorthanded to beat Harvard at Lynah.   Kevin Pettit had tied the game after we pulled our goalie (Cropper).  The win kept a four-year home winning streak alive.[/q]
Greg's got the box score on TBRW.  Great Harvard team--Joe Cavanaugh, Corkery, Hynes, etc.--that upset BU to win the ECACs.

[red]

yea that hit was totally legit. it took the ref about 5 seconds to call it, after he saw the union player was hurt. totally bullshit.

[Steve M]

More than 3 strides before a check is charging.  It sounds like the correct call was made, a 2 min. penalty, rather than the major the Union announcers were calling for.  Unless the rules have changed, 5 min. majors are only for hitting from behind, some boarding penalties, spearingand high sticking if it draws blood.  I've never heard of a 5 min. charging penalty.

[CowbellGuy]

The first hit was definitely clean. They were skating in opposite directions behind the goal and Sawada had to turn to his right to make the hit along the boards. If he turned, it shouldn't be charging, right? The second hit also looked clean to me. His arm might have been up a bit, but I don't think he led with his elbow.

[Chris \'03]

[Q]Steve M Wrote:

  I've never heard of a 5 min. charging penalty.



Edited 1 times. Last edit at 01/15/05 11:12AM by Steve M.[/q]

Like other penalties, a vicious charge will get 5. It's not terribly common, but with the seemingly increased frequency of majors this season, it'll probably pop up more often. It happened as recently as october in D1:
"The Minutemen's difficulties included a five-minute major charging call on Zech Klann in the first period that resulted in two Clarkson goals."

http://www.uscho.com/recaps/20042005/m/10/09/ckn-uma.php

[atb9]

[Q]billhoward Wrote:

 If we say the referees were terrible and we cite mostly calls that went against Cornell, a neutral observer might say the thing was off wasn't the officiating but the perspective of the person making the comment.

But I wasn't there. It is possible the officials sucked in one direction more than the other.

The 29-0 team wasn't dominant every game. They had their share of lucky breaks, including OT wins. [/q]

You're right.  But on the same hand, being a Cornell fan, I remember the Cornell plays much more vividly where as on the Union plays I only remember groaning and agreeing with my father, who is a Union graduate.  It's embarrassing that I can't remember Union examples...

Good thing there are no neutral observers on this board...  ;-)

[jkahn]

[Q]billhoward Wrote:

 [Q2]jkahn Wrote:

 [Q2]billhoward Wrote:

 And for one more random fact: When was Cornell's last SHG to win an OT game? Was it in Lynah or maybe on Beebe Lake? [/Q]
Not sure it was the last, but in Jan. '71 Jim Higgs scored shorthanded to beat Harvard at Lynah.   Kevin Pettit had tied the game after we pulled our goalie (Cropper).  The win kept a four-year home winning streak alive.[/Q]
Could it be 33 years since our last SH OT winning goal? Wasn't that a fluke goal from outside the blue line?[/q]
My recollection (which for some reason seems incredibly clear for this game) would have him at somewhere near the top edge of the face-off circle to Bruce Durno's left.  Also, in those days, overtime was ten minutes and you switched sides for overtime, so the goal was at the west end.   Pettit's tying goal, a deflection of a Ron Simpson slapshot, was at the east end.  Giles Threadgold was one of the refs and the one who called the penalty in overtime.  That Harvard team had two of the best college hockey lines I've ever seen - Owen-Cavanaugh-DiMichele and Corkery-Hynes-McManama.

[billhoward]

The officials appear to be under pressure to stop the clutching and grabbing that leads to dull, low-scoring games such as last year's NCAA championship game. Cornell's defensive mindset may be translated by some officials into clutching and grabbing or obstruction even when (as likely) it's clean positional hockey. And it's also human nature to be more likely to call a charge on somebody who's 6-foot-4 than than someone who's 5-foot-10.

But any penalty in OT, especially when it's down to a 5-minute overtime, really skews the game. OTOH if the ref thinks it's blatant, it has to be called. I assume there is video of every game the league officials can review, even if we can't get it streamed to our PCs. Which kind of begs the question if there is video, no matter how crappy, wouldn't you want it streamed to your PC? I'm thinking this woiuld be a good project for eLynah road warriors. In exchange for about four free admissions, you get to lug a bunch of gear to, say, Canton, NY, bring up a working broadband connection, keep it up (more than we can say for Real Networks last night), and try not to cheer so hard you make the camera shake. What a deal.