Penalty for Throwing Fish

[trojan man]

Is it true that there will be no warning issued this year after fish are thrown? that it's going to be an automatic minor on Cornell if anything at all is thrown onto the ice?  

This is a disgrace, one of the greatest parts of this rivalry is the throwing of fish at Lynah Rink.  And the last few years, the ECAC seems to be suffocating the rivalry by making stupid rules against the fish throwing.

And why the hell doesn't the ECAC try to market this game to CSTV instead of games like Dartmouth-Princeton, Cornell-Harvard at Lynah is the showcase of the ECAC regular season (and there's a lot of history/stories to draw on between the schools that would make for really good material on television.)  ABC doesn't put Miami-UNC on primetime, they put Miami-Florida St on primetime.  Mind-boggling that they haven't tried to use the Cornell-Harvard matchup as a showcase.

[Will]

[Q]trojan man Wrote:

Cornell-Harvard at Lynah is the showcase of the ECAC regular season (and there's a lot of history/stories to draw on between the schools that would make for really good material on television.)  ABC doesn't put Miami-UNC on primetime, they put Miami-Florida St on primetime.  Mind-boggling that they haven't tried to use the Cornell-Harvard matchup as a showcase.[/q]

If you're talking about a rivalry, Cornell-Harvard has competition from Clarkson-St. Lawrence, RPI-Clarkson, and of course Harvard-Yale.  These past few years notwithstanding, I would say that usually Clarkson-St. Lawrence is the big game(s) of the conference.

[calgARI '07]

That is totally unfair, considering that newspapers are thrown on the ice every game without any penalty called.  How can that be allowed but fish not be?  I understand that it takes longer to pick up the fish and it hurts the ice, but the penalty that will be assessed will be assessed for throwing objects onto the ice.  Newspapers are objects as are fish and so are stuffed animals I might add.  
I think that it is unfair that certain people, mostly Cornell administrators, and Schafer included, try to rule on a tradition that far extends before their times at Cornell.  Whether people think it's stupid or unnecessary is insignificant because it is a tradition that has long been embraced by the Cornell students.  Nobody should have the jurisdiction to rule on this tradition unless it got out of hand.

[dss28]

Does anyone know if similar penalties are assessed to Princeton (or is it Dartmouth?) when they throw tennis balls at the opposing goalie?

Maybe where they draw the line is what could physically affect a player.  A fish smacking you in the face is (theoretically) going to affect you a lot more than a crumpled up newspaper.

...I dunno.

[French Rage]

Wait, is the penalty for any fish AT ALL?  Usually they try to threaten people a week or so before with JAs and such, but by game time they usually say go ahead and throw them now and then dont throw anymore.  Like 3 years ago people threw at the beginning of the 2nd and we got a penalty and rightly so, since at that point it just disrputs the game.  If other years are any indication theyre all talk and once it becomes gametime they let up and back off.

[calgARI '07]

I'm totally for penalties for throwing fish after the players first come out.  Like ten years ago when harvard had an amazing team and Cornell did not have such an amazing team, someone threw a fish onto the ice at the beginning of the second period and Harvard scored on the ensuing powerplay, breaking the 1-1 tie.  Harvard would hold on for the 2-1 win.  McCutcheon was outraged.  
There should be penalties assessed every time fish are thrown onto the ice after the players come out for the first period.  That is what I mean by things getting out of hand.  But the tradition of throwing fish on to the ice when the players come out should not be tampered with as its lifespan precedes any person in power's tenure.

[jim]

so can you get thrown out of the game if the guys in the aisle see you throwing fish?

[michelle]

YES you can get thrown out of the game if an usher see's you throw a fish.  They are the ones that are suppose to be looking for it.  

[JDeafv]

Yes, you *CAN* get thrown out for throwing fish - but I've never seen it (when fish were thrown when the players first skate out)!  I've been to the last 5 and the attitude seems to be : "If you got it through the security, you can throw it on the ice, but only when the players first skate out."

After that, do not throw anything on the ice (newspaper is ok once the lineups are finally announced) or you will be thrown out - I've seen this almost every year for the last 5.

The rink crew is prepared for the fish, so are the officials, and the players.  

Also - arriving very early is the best way to get fish into the rink.

Let 'em fly!

Let's Go Red!  See everyone in Ithaca this week.

[Beeeej]

[Q]calgARI '07 Wrote:
...the tradition of throwing fish on to the ice when the players come out should not be tampered with as its lifespan precedes any person in power's tenure.[/q]

A statement like that just serves to demonstrate how brief your own tenure is, Ari.  The tradition of throwing fish when the players first come out for introductions is all of about eleven years old.  Before that, the tradition was to throw fish when Cornell scored their first goal against Harvard.

Beeeej (who remembers what it's like to walk out of Lynah after a shutout with a fish in the same place it was when he walked in)

[Al DeFlorio]

[Q]Beeeej Wrote:

 [Q2]calgARI '07 Wrote:
Beeeej (who remembers what it's like to walk out of Lynah after a shutout with a fish in the same place it was when he walked in)[/q]
Traditions should only be changed for good reason.  ::nut::

[jtwcornell91]

[Q]calgARI '07 Wrote:
Like ten years ago when harvard had an amazing team and Cornell did not have such an amazing team, someone threw a fish onto the ice at the beginning of the second period and Harvard scored on the ensuing powerplay, breaking the 1-1 tie.  Harvard would hold on for the 2-1 win.  McCutcheon was outraged.[/q]

It was the last game he ever coached against Hahvahd and the last game of the ten-year RS winless streak against the Crimson.  For more, see http://www.amurgsval.org/squishy/fish.1.4.html

[calgARI '07]

[Q]Beeeej Wrote:

 [Q2]calgARI '07 Wrote:
...the tradition of throwing fish on to the ice when the players come out should not be tampered with as its lifespan precedes any person in power's tenure.[/Q]
A statement like that just serves to demonstrate how brief your own tenure is, Ari.  The tradition of throwing fish when the players first come out for introductions is all of about eleven years old.  Before that, the tradition was to throw fish when Cornell scored their first goal against Harvard.

Beeeej (who remembers what it's like to walk out of Lynah after a shutout with a fish in the same place it was when he walked in)[/q]

Maybe so, but my point about allowing the throwing of fish against Harvard because it has been done since 1973, still stands

[strixvaria]

Two years ago, I was thrown out for throwing a fish at the "appropriate" time even though  one of the ushers had told me explicitly that we could throw them at the beginning.  I was NOT happy.  Be careful.

[Josh '99]

[Q]dss28 Wrote:
Does anyone know if similar penalties are assessed to Princeton (or is it Dartmouth?) when they throw tennis balls at the opposing goalie?[/q]If I'm not mistaken, Dartmouth has been assessed penalties for throwing tennis balls on the ice.  (Ben?)