[Lax] Hobart 12 Cornell 10

[Greg Berge]

How damaging a loss was this to Cornell's tournament seed?

[AlDeFlorio]

[Q]Greg Berge Wrote:

 How damaging a loss was this to Cornell's tournament seed?


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Any chance for home field in the first round is gone, I'd say.

[AlDeFlorio]

[Q]AlDeFlorio Wrote:

 [Q2]Greg Berge Wrote:

 How damaging a loss was this to Cornell's tournament seed?


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Any chance for home field in the first round is gone, I'd say.[/q]
Looking at today's results, maybe there is still a chance.  Rutgers and Ohio State were beaten today.  

Hopkins, Syracuse, Maryland, Navy, Georgetown, Princeton, and very likely UNC will get seven of the eight home games.  That leaves one home game, and Cornell has the highest RPI of the remaining teams.  The selection "show" is on ESPN News Monday between 3 and 4pm EDT.  Saw a post somewhere that said about 3:40.  

[Tub(a)]

If quality wins are the top 8 tourney teams, here is how they stack up:

Cornell: W @ Princeton; L to Syracuse @ Home; L to Georgetown @ Home
Rutgers: W against Syracuse @ home; L @ Princeton; L @ Georgetown
Ohio State: W @ Navy, L @ UNC

It looks like it's between Ohio State and CU. Does their road win against a better team (Navy > Princeton) cancel out our advantage in RPI? Do those two home losses against 'quality teams' hurt us?

It should be an interesting call.. can't wait until Monday!

[billhoward]

A lot of Cornell's positioning (home vs away field for round 1) depends on how much flexibility the lax seeding committee gives itself vs. the hockey seeding committee.

I would think the seeding committee, given *any* flexibiliity, will give Cornell a chance to play itself into the second round at Schoellkopf, as it would likely do for Syracuse (bracket them so they'd play round 2 in Ithaca), too, so there's the chance of a better turnout. Good-of-the-game and all. But I suppose that could happen even if Cornell was on the road in round 1.

The crusher will be if Cornell winds up paired so that if it won round one it would meet Hopkins in round 2 (which would likely be in the South not North). Given that Hobart came within a goal of beating No. 2 Navy and we know No. 4 Syracuse is beatable (if not beaten) by Cornell .... one could argue that a good outcome for this season would be advancing to the Final Four ... and some of us recall those almost-miracle 1987 and 1988 (?) seasons when a lightly regarded Cornell got to the title game both times.

I'm trying to recall: Does NCAA lax reseed after the first round so highest survivor gets to play lowest survivor?

Note right now that the 1-2-3 teams (on poll, not seeding) are in the south.

[AlDeFlorio]

Add Towson to the mix of teams competing for home field in the first round.  

IIRC, only the top four teams are seeded.  Three of them (Hopkins, Navy and Maryland) will be "southern" teams, so one will come to Schoellkopf for the quarterfinals.  I'd bet on Navy (presuming all three win in the first round).

With the host team (Virginia) for the southern quarterfinals out of the tournament, I'd think the NCAA would like to see Cornell at Schoellkopf for the second round.  That may give Cornell an edge in getting the eighth seed, but Towson is right behind us in RPI, has three more wins, and has won ten of their last eleven, with the only loss being to Hopkins.

The 1988 Cornell team was "lightly-regarded" in the tournament, but the 1987 team was unbeaten going into the championship game and ranked behind only also-unbeaten Maryland, IIRC.  Hopkins knocked off both Memorial Day weekend at Rutgers.

[DeltaOne81]

The swami predicts that we get 9, playing at #8 Penn. He has Hobart at #7, and Princeton at 6.

Someone else on his site has us at 9 playing at #8 Hobart. That'd be interesting to make the trip again .

And there are a couple other people, some of which put us at 8 . It'll be close.