PWR after Saturday

Al DeFlorio · March 09, 2002, 11:29:20 PM

With several games not yet completed (11:26pm) and Brown no longer a TUC, Cornell drops to #8 in PWR and now wins only 18 comparisons--significantly reducing the edge over teams just below us in the rankings.

kingpin248 · March 10, 2002, 12:30:18 AM

Cornell will remain eighth at the conclusion of all games tonight. (The outcome of Ferris v. Fairbanks is irrelevant, according to JTW's script)

jy3 · March 10, 2002, 12:43:00 AM

yeah i noticed this too
something else to note...
dartmouth cannot drop below .500. that would do wonders for CU record vs tuc.
brown dropping stinks but i hope that cornell will not have to worry about an at large. and u have to beat the best to be the best so seeding wont matter either ;-) ::nut::

Greg Berge · March 10, 2002, 01:42:28 AM

I'm pretty pleased that even though all the "bad" things that could happen did, Cornell drops just one slot to 8th.

Interestingly, after so many ties in PWR during the year, the top 12 teams are now alone and separated by just 1 comparison (UNH 25, Minnesota 24, ...)

UAH swept and is now just 1 game under .500

OSU swept WMU in an upset in thre CCHA's, that helps us.

Why is Findlay playing in their conference tournament when they can't qualify for the NCAA?

DeltaOne81 · March 10, 2002, 02:18:52 AM

Their conference doesn't get an auto-bid, so it doesn't matter anyways. They're playing bc their part of the conference.

-DeltaOne81 '03, Fred

KeithK · March 10, 2002, 02:43:46 AM

No, UAH isn't one game under .500, they're three under for NCAA purposes due to Findlay. I had been thinking that the Chargers could pull the CHA upset and make it to .500 by winning their conference tournament (three more games). But tonight I realized that they play f%$&ing Findlay in the first round. So the best they can do is finish 15-16-1. So we can forget about any help from them.

Looks to me like almost everything that could've helped Cornell this weekend failed. Dartmouth pulled one out of their asses last night and then finished the deal tonight. Brown fell off of Danis' back (though he certainly gave it a great effort). Most of the top seeds elsewhere have won, some pulling out close games (e.g. MSU, St. Cloud last night). The only positive so far is Michigan losing last night to LSSU. Another miracle by the Lakers tomorrow would be great as long as MSU could then win at the Joe.

The boys have their work cut out for 'em in Placid. Go Red!

ugarte · March 10, 2002, 02:49:29 AM

How did Findlay manage to have a non-qualifying schedule when the appear to have played everyone in D-I that we care about? :-(

kingpin248 · March 10, 2002, 03:17:19 AM

It's not who they played, it's where they are in the process of moving up to D-I. I think they're in the second year of a two-year transitional period.

jms89 · March 10, 2002, 02:11:35 PM

First, what the hell is TUC? The only thing I can think up is teams under concideration and that doesnt seem right if every team at or above .500 counts.

Second, I remember discussion here earlier in the year, after the NMU loss, to the effect that 2OT games count as ties to the NCAA. Is this true when it comes to TUC? If so, doesn't Brown close out right at .500?

And since it finally seems relevant for me to use one of these menacing faces in the peanut gallery ::help::

Weingarm · March 10, 2002, 02:19:44 PM

According to the NCAA:
20T games are a loss for the team that loses (aka- Cornell)
2OT games are a win for the team that wins (aka- NMU)

jms89 · March 10, 2002, 02:22:53 PM

thanks.

Al DeFlorio · March 10, 2002, 02:23:09 PM

I think it's only games that are won-and-lost in non-standard fashion (e.g., shootouts, scissors/paper/rock) that go into the NCAA books as ties.

Yes, TUC stands for "teams under consideration," and, you're right, it's a misnomer. Most teams at the .500 level are not really under consideration at all. (Does anyone really think the NCAA is giving Sacred Heart any more "consideration" than they're giving Union or Brown?)

KeithK · March 10, 2002, 02:40:35 PM

Well Shaun Hannah's will get a lot more consideration than Brown or Union is they can beat Q and then UConn or Mercyhurst...

As for TUC being a silly term, the cutoff is .500 so any team at or above .500 gets looked at for the NC$$s. They may get dismissed out of hand but they do get considered.

jtwcornell91 · March 10, 2002, 02:58:48 PM

In fact, a team with a losing record which receives an automatic bid by winning its conference tournament automatically becomes a Team Under Consideration for the purposes of the "record vs TUC" criterion.

jtwcornell91 · March 10, 2002, 03:03:12 PM

Because this question comes up so often, I thought it was a good idea to put the answer in the subject line. And for that matter, let me shout so that everyone hears it:

IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW MANY OVERTIMES THEY PLAY, OR HOW LONG THEY ARE; IF THE GAME IS DECIDED IN OVERTIME, IT IS A WIN FOR THE WINNING TEAM AND A LOSS FOR THE LOSING TEAM! If they go to a shootout, the game is considered a tie, with the shootout being used for advancement purposes only.