Hobey Hat Trick

[Pete Godenschwager]

[Q]Say what you will but the numbers don't lie. Make your argument that GAA is more important ... Lenny wins there; make your argument that SV% is a more accurate reflection of a goalie and not the system ... Lenny wins again[/Q]

I thought the Hobey was only given for the past year's performance, am I wrong on this?  Or is it even stated?  I don't think anybody is saying Lenny doesn't deserve any of his accolades (except maybe over in another thread, which has turned into a complete disaster).  I'm in agreement that Lenny is a better goalie than Danis!!

But...Last year's offensive candidates were awesome.  This year's offensive candidates pale by comparison...cue the defensive candidates.  Would Lenny have won this year with last year's numbers? Yes.  But he didn't really give them a chance to give it to him this year.  Giving it to Danis is not an insult.  Maybe the timing is unfortunate, but that's life.  

[Tom Pasniewski 98]

About the only way you could compare Danis and Parise and Lessard is to have them go on-on-one and see if Danis could stop their shots.  But that never happened nor is it going to happen.  I am not advocating this - just throwing it out for arguments sake but with Miller winning in 01, Lenny a Hat Trick in 03 and Danis a hat trick in 04 and the inabiility to compare (insert something other than apples and oranges here), maybe it's time for a national award to recognize the best goaltender in the country.  If the Ken Dryden award wasn't already in use in name in the ECAC, I might advocate for such an award named after him.  There appears to be a rising interest in recognizing goaltenders for their accomplishments by making them part of the final three but so far, and I have to think come next Friday, still so far, Miller will be the only goaltender of the three to have won the award.  Many say that Miller won the award by setting the career shutout record by the end of his sophomore year - that implies that two years were taken into account in giving him the Hobey.  He of course had a lot going for him his sophomore year too.

Although Hobey was a great all-around athlete, I'm pretty sure he didn't spend much time in net at Princeton.  I'm just saying if you can't compare Sejna, Parise and Lessard to Dryden, you can't compare Lenny and Danis to Parise and Lessard.

I also agree that the award is for the fans.  Danis and Parise are moving on with higher aspirations.  Lessard, might consider attending the ceremony as a distraction if his team is playing in the title game.

And while the Hobey might be turning into a popularity contest and losing some meaning at least we have the Humanitarian Award for somebody who didn't just 'leave it on the ice' but went beyond the ice.  I guess that award can be somewhat subjective but what award isn't - we wouldn't have half the discussions on this board if something wasn't subjective.

[ugarte]

[Q]Tom Pasniewski 98 Wrote:
Many say that Miller won the award by setting the career shutout record by the end of his sophomore year - that implies that two years were taken into account in giving him the Hobey.  He of course had a lot going for him his sophomore year too. [/Q]GAA aside, I think that Miller actually had a better year than LeNeveu in his Hobey year.  I don't have a problem with the Miller/LeNeveu comparisons, but I just don't see how Lenny/Danis is all that close.  Maybe Ryan Miller and LeNeveu just made it easier for some voters to choose a goalie at all - and Danis is the first beneficiary.

[Pete Godenschwager]

[Q]Maybe Ryan Miller and LeNeveu just made it easier for some voters to choose a goalie at all [/Q]

I agree, though find it strange that goalies aren't chosen more often.  One often hears that goalies in hockey are the most important position players in any sport (i.e. have the most influence on the game).  One would think they would win the Hobey a lot more than they do.  

[Will]

[Q]Tom Pasniewski 98 Wrote:

If the Ken Dryden award wasn't already in use in name in the ECAC, I might advocate for such an award named after him.  [/Q]

Simple solution--we'll call it the Dave LeNeveu Award. :-D

[billhoward]

[Q]Will Wrote:

 Tom Pasniewski 98 Wrote:

If the Ken Dryden award wasn't already in use in name in the ECAC, I might advocate for such an award named after him.  

Simple solution--we'll call it the Dave LeNeveu Award.  
 [/Q]

Sheesh! Ken already had a building on campus, a road, and a town named after him. Or so my kids think.

I wish I cashed out my stock options in 1999 in which case - well, if I had 10,000 of them rather than 100 and not sat on them through the, ah, downturn - I could have put up a new hockey rink and named it Dryden Rink. Dryden, Marinaro, and maybe McEneneany deserve their names on buildings. Actually, for the latter it should be a buildings with a covered walkway, so you could call it the McEneneaney to French connection.

[Chris 02]

Where exactly is Dryden Hall on campus?

[Big Ben 03]

You know, i was able to convince WAY too many people that my hometown (yes, i'm from Dryden) WAS named after Ken Dryden because of all the hockey fans in the area. Does anyone truly believe that still? I bet DisplacedCornellian does ;-)  (or at least wishes it).

[Al DeFlorio]

[Q]billhoward Wrote:

Dryden, Marinaro, and maybe McEneneany deserve their names on buildings. Actually, for the latter it should be a buildings with a covered walkway, so you could call it the McEneneaney to French connection.  [/Q]
Regarding French, Bill, you might enjoy this thread on the LaxPower Forum:

http://forums.laxpower.com/read.php?f=1&i=105144&t=105144

[Beeeej]

[Q]billhoward Wrote:
Dryden, Marinaro, and maybe McEneneany deserve their names on buildings. Actually, for the latter it should be a buildings with a covered walkway, so you could call it the McEneneaney to French connection.  [/Q]

Marinaro has a lounge named after him in Schoellkopf Hall.

Beeeej