Cornell 15th in PWR

[nyc94]

[Q]Avash '05 Wrote:
The overall #1 seed doesn't necessarily end up playing the Atlantic Hockey champ or the CHA champ. Remember?   [/Q]

As of Saturday afternoon, there are no intraconference conflicts between the first and fourth bands (as determined by PWR) and the only host school to make the field, New Hampshire, is definitely a two or a three seed.  There is no reason for the top seed not to get the CHA or AHA champion.  The only conflict on the horizon is if Colorado College somehow gets up to #13.

[adamw]

The top seed can get Niagara - meaning Maine would get the AHA champ.

[Tom Pasniewski 98]

Well the argument wasn't whether Maine was likely to get the AHA champion, just the possibility of rooting for Sacred Heart to goals past Howard.  Sacred Heart would be 16 if they win.  North Dakota (presumably the overall #1) should get Sacred Heart if they win out in Colorado.  We all know what happened last year and the displeasure of our coach with the result of playing the 14 seed.  Should CC get in which is highly unlikely, you'd have to ship a Sacred Heart or Holy Cross to Grand Rapids with CC in the West.

This is off topic but since people are reading here.  I'm watching the ECAC women's tournament on CN8 and the first semifinal is going very long - late in the first OT and currently delayed by a Harvard injury.  I know they're scheduled to televise the second women's semifinal which was supposed to have started already but is likely and hour or more behind.  Anybody know what happens if the second game is still going on at 8 p.m.?  Not to be biased or anything but would like to think the men's game would be shown?

[ben03]

After tonight's games:

13t Notre Dame (Nt)         16 .5344
13t Colorado College (CC)   16 .5322
13t Cornell (Cr)            16 .5250
13t Colgate (Cg)            16 .5190

.002 per quality road win
.003 per quality neutral-ice win
.001 per quality home win

With three AQ's going to teams outside of the top 16 (Harvard, Holy Cross, and Niagara) it looks like CC and ND will fight it out for the last spot.

[hike]

Damn...still never know what the committe has up their sleeve, any of those four teams could go in.  

[jy3]

and also do not forget that when considering the field for the tourney with teams close in the rankings they break things down individually and things get confusing. i doubt cornell will make it. i also doubt that a neutral win will be worth more than a road win. i predict michigan state and notre dame will get in  ::nut::

[ben03]

[Q]jy3 Wrote:

 and also do not forget that when considering the field for the tourney with teams close in the rankings they break things down individually and things get confusing. i doubt cornell will make it. i also doubt that a neutral win will be worth more than a road win. i predict michigan state and notre dame will get in  

jy3
 [/Q]

Michigan St. is all but a lock and ND will have to fight it out with CC but who knows the committe has some
CRAZY crak they like to smoke this time of year ... :-O  ::screwy::  :-O

[nyc94]

While I wouldn't use the term "crazy crak", this year's selection should yield a good idea of how big the bonus really is.

In a .005-.003-.001 bonus situation Michigan State (12) and Notre Dame (13) are in and Colorado College is out (tied at 14 with Cornell and Colgate).  In a .003-.002-.001 scenario Michigan State (12) is still in but there is a three way tie at 13 between Colardo College, Notre Dame and Colgate.  Since the tie is circular (each team wins one comparison over another of the three) breaking the tie based on RPI still favors Notre Dame.  When there is no bonus the same three way tie results but Colorado College has the higher RPI.  So. . .  it would seem that we're definitely going to get a controversy this year.  Someone will claim they were robbed.

[Steve Marciniec \'85]

It may seem pointless to talk woulda, coulda, shoulda right now, but I'm going to do it so everyone remembers next year how important non-conference games are.  If we had only swept Western Michigan in that opening series, instead of losing and tying, the comparisons with ND and Miami and possibly others would flip.  Cornell would most likely get an at large bid in spite of tying Bowling Green and Mercyhurst, our abysmal month of January and last weekend's playoff meltdown.  I was not delusional to think this team had a chance at an at large bid at the beginning of the season.  It isn't nearly as difficult with the 16 team field.  The bottom line is a lot of focus needs to be put on the NC games if we want to be in the NCAA tourney consistently.  Winning 7 out of our last 8 games to get 2nd place in the ECACs was great, but ultimately meant nothing since we didn't have a good enough non-conference record and couldn't follow it up in the ECAC playoffs.  Relying on a top 4 finish in the ECAC and an ECAC championship is a dangerous strategy to make the NCAAs.  

Whether we "deserve" a bid or not is irrelevent.  The freshmen could have used the NCAA tourney experience.  I don't think BC or Denver are going to reject their at large bids because they lost in their conference tournaments.

Let's win our NC games next year.  In my opinion, they are the most important games of the season.

[Josh '99]

[Q]ben03 Wrote:
.002 per quality road win
.003 per quality neutral-ice win
.001 per quality home win [/Q]Any particular reason you use a higher bonus for a neutral-ice win than a road win?  (Or is it a typo, in which case, sorry.)

[jy3]

[Q]jmh30 Wrote:

 ben03 Wrote:
.002 per quality road win
.003 per quality neutral-ice win
.001 per quality home win Any particular reason you use a higher bonus for a neutral-ice win than a road win?  (Or is it a typo, in which case, sorry.)

 [/Q]

i think that was the only scenario that worked to get cornell in

[nyc94]

The final bracketology piece on USCHO brings up an interesting point.  Harvard, as the number 14 seed, is a lot closer in the pairwise to the 15 seed, Niagara - 22 vs 25 - than Mankato was to Wayne State or Mercyhurst last year.  In his 3-2-1 bonus prediction, Jayson Moy moved Harvard to Manchester to play #2 BC (rather than #3 Maine in Albany) so that Niagara can drive to Albany rather than fly to Manchester.  Personally, I'd rather play BC than Maine right now.  In his no bonus prediction, Harvard gets North Dakota in Albany.