Cornell 15th in PWR

[hike]

We jumped to 15th in PWR after tonight, because of Clarkson and Harvard's wins.  Lets say Harvard wins tomorrow, plus our added bonus for wins over Ohio State, Notre Dame, and Harvard.  Any chance of cracking 13 in the PWR?

[hike]

I was able to get Cornell to #10 in the PWR playing around with the bonuses.

[Tom Pasniewski 98]

Just back from the HE tourney.  Great to see Ayers give up four goals, all in the third period.  But UMass complicates things.  It's a shame somebody had to give up a goal because both goaltenders played great for BU (Fields) and Maine (Howard).  Sucks that Howard gets the shutout.  All of a sudden we are now the highest PWR team from the ECAC and we aren't in the championship weekend.  Right now the .005, .003, .001 bonus puts us into a tie for 14th with CC which, based on the individual comparison, Colorado College would win so that puts us back in 15th.  

I haven't done the calculations but wins by Ohio State and Maine have to be good tomorrow.  We have a win over Ohio State and a win over Notre Dame who has a win over Maine.  Harvard would probably be the better choice for the ECAC.

Well, I'm too tired to think now so I'll look at the numbers in the morning.  

[Killer]

[Q]hike Wrote:

 I was able to get Cornell to #10 in the PWR playing around with the bonuses. [/Q]

What did you use for bonuses?  Were they within the realm of possibility?  The model allows you to get them to 6th, but to do so requires that you use numbers like .05, not the more likely .005, etc.  I think we'd need the committee's Blood Alcohol Content to be even higher than the bonuses to have them start playing those games. ::nut::

[calgARI '07]

What would happen if Cornell conceivably got in?  I know for a fact that every freshman is at Dave McKee's house in Texas.  There must be no way they can get in.  I never really bothered to understand the PWR though and being only one spot back, I guess it is possible with OSU, Maine, and Harvard wins tomorrow.

[ice the puck]

So what would happen if we snuck in.  Are 2-3 days of practice going to do it?

[Greg Berge]

I guess they'd have to.

[finchphil]

Seems pretty unlikley that we can move any higher.  Since the ECAC Tournament winner will not be a top 14 team, that takes another slot away from at large possiblities, meaning that only the top 13 team in PWR will qualify.  If UMass wins the HEA tournament today, they might take another slot away from at large qualifiers since that win might not push them into top 13.  

The teams on the bubble ahead of us, Michigan State, Notre Dame and Colorado College are all out of their tournaments so they can't lose to help us out.  Someone also has to win the Colgate - Dartmouth game today (I assume they can't tie?) and the winner of that game might flip enough comparisons to move ahead of us as well.

I suppose that anything is possible, but I can't develop a situation which would put us in what definitely has to be the top 13 in PWR and possibly the top 12.  However, after losing to Clarkson in the series last weekend, we really don't deserve to go anyway.

[Greg Berge]

"Deserving" is a function of the criteria.  If they qualify, then they deserve it.

[Will]

[Q]ice the puck Wrote:

 So what would happen if we snuck in.  Are 2-3 days of practice going to do it?

 [/Q]

Realistically, I hate to say it, but Cornell would get crushed by whatever #1 seed they'd end up playing, likely either Maine or BC.  Clarkson's already crushed their spirits and Vesce won't be available.  The worst part is, they'd likely end up directly contributing to Howard's falling GAA. :cuss:

[Josh '99]

For what it's worth, I think it's better for us if Clarkson wins tonight.  One loss by Harvard shouldn't drop them out of TUC (and thus cost us two TUC wins), and since we've played Clarkson more times this season, a win by them improves our RPI, while a win by Harvard hurts it, no?

[Killer]

I was wondering the same thing last night after seeing the revised PWR and people started playing games with the bonuses and possible outcomes of other games.  I seriously doubt there's any way we get in, but if we did, what has the team been doing?  Did they fold up their tents and pack it in after the Clarkson series? Has anyone been practicing in any manner?

Any way you look at it, we'd have a really tough first-round opponent.  But sometimes the puck takes a few funny bounces and strange things happen.  BC probably never should have lost to BU in HE, but they did.  In fact, had Fields hung in, impregnable for a few more minutes in the Beanpot, they'd have won that too.  Even the big guys can be taken...but probably not by a team relaxing in Texas.

[Tom Pasniewski 98]

I don't see how a Harvard win lowers our RPI.  But it probably is all moot.  Maybe we had a shot at 14th but with a Harvard-Clarkson final, we have no shot at 13th where we have to get to and with UMass in the mix still, well 12 is just not going to happen.  If UMass beats Maine they will likely be in the top 16 in the PWR, so UMass is probably not bouncing anybody out of the tournament.  Technically, a team like Niagara, unable to bounce out a conference champion would have to bounce out a higher team.  Gosh if Howard goes back in net tonight (unlikely), that would be a tough call who to root for.  But seeing as Cornell is likely done, I'd vote for UMass and preserving Lenny's record.  

Maine's not likely to get the overall #1 seed and thus will probably not wind up playing Holy Cross or Sacred Heart in the first round though 15 and 16 are sort of interchangeable - more so if it's Holy Cross.  But can you imagine a Maine-Sacred Heart first round NCAA matchup with Howard in net.  I could never bring myself to root for Sacred Heart after the 2000-01 opener.  So I guess I'd have to root for an 8-7 Maine win to screw up Howard in that case.

Oh, and to echo what Greg said, the Committee doesn't pick blindly to determine if you deserve to be in.  If the numbers are there, you deserve to be in.  If they took the top 16 in the PWR straight, Cornell would deserve to be in.  

They got an ice rink in their house down in Texas?  Guess it's been a while since you'd want to go to a hometown of a Cornell player for a warm Spring Break.  Not sure of the weather in Chapman, Australia right now though.

[RedAR]

I have a feeling that NOT making it would be better for the development of next year's team.  I know tournament experience is good, but so is the hunger and drive that comes from dissapointment (a la last year's team).  My w cents.

[Avash]

[Q]Maine's not likely to get the overall #1 seed and thus will probably not wind up playing Holy Cross or Sacred Heart in the first round[/Q]


The overall #1 seed doesn't necessarily end up playing the Atlantic Hockey champ or the CHA champ. Remember? ;-)