The Lynah and E-Lynah Gestapo

[Beeeej]

I guess I was trying to make a subtle point that was missed, though I appreciate the discussion that followed it... my point was more along the lines that it's difficult for me to take anybody seriously when their argument basically amounts to, "I have the right to say anything I want, wherever I want, but you don't have the right to tell me I shouldn't say it."

Beeeej

[Rosey]

Beeeej, who's talking about rights here?  Lynah Rink is a private venue, and as such the managers can tell us not to swear, or to wear only red and white, or not to arrive after 7:05 pm, etc.  My point is simply that they shouldn't be fascists, not that they are somehow legally restricted from being fascists.

Cheers,
Kyle '98

[ugarte]

[Q]krose Wrote:

 Beeeej, who's talking about rights here?  Lynah Rink is a private venue, and as such the managers can tell us not to swear, or to wear only red and white, or not to arrive after 7:05 pm, etc.  My point is simply that they shouldn't be fascists, not that they are somehow legally restricted from being fascists.[/Q]I don't know that you are the real target of Beeeej's on-target analysis of the debate, Kyle.  

I disagree with a lot of what you have said here, but you have never taken a tone that suggests that you think that the people who disagree with you shouldn't express their opinion.  This thread started with the suggestion that those who merely express the opinion that the cursing has gone overboard or that the dieeeeee cheer should be shelved are a "gestapo".  That is amuch more significant gestapo tactic than any of the opinions it attacks.

[Rosey]

[Q]ugarte Wrote:
I don't know that you are the real target of Beeeej's on-target analysis of the debate, Kyle.[/q]
Upon reflection, I believe you are right.  I wasn't really paying attention to the beginning of the thread, and only really joined it halfway through.
[q]I disagree with a lot of what you have said here, but you have never taken a tone that suggests that you think that the people who disagree with you shouldn't express their opinion.  This thread started with the suggestion that those who merely express the opinion that the cursing has gone overboard or that the dieeeeee cheer should be shelved are a "gestapo".  That is amuch more significant gestapo tactic than any of the opinions it attacks.[/Q]
I think those complaining about the old-timers who don't like cursing or who want the cheers to remain inviolate until the end of time have a point, but what is said here is almost entirely irrelevant to conduct in the rink: whether I or anyone else doesn't like the "dieeee!!!" cheer or the repeating "you just suck!" in the blackhole cheer has no effect whatsoever on whether the current students continue those cheers or not.  So, really, there's no benefit to trying to shut the alums up.  It really makes no difference to reality. :-)

Cheers,
Kyle '98

[Rob NH]

[Q]Tom Pasniewski 98 Wrote:
Also, with regards to cursing and I take no position here, imagine you were the only fan at Lynah during a game - would you scream fuck 'em up, fuck 'em up and have everybody know it was you[/Q]
If you were the only one there how would anybody else know?

[Beeeej]

Correct on both counts, AFKABRA.

Beeeej

[Trigger]

[Q]Facetimer Wrote:

 Trigger Wrote:

 Ok, now you have gotten me started. The ushers at Lynah are only doing their jobs. It's Andy Noel who doesn't want any of the swearing, etc...and he rules the way he sees fit. I personally feel that "f- em up" isn't understandable enough for kids, since you can tell them people are saying "puck puck puck" or something else, but it still is what it is. Swearing isn't allowed, so now we should change to "rough em up", despite how much we don't want to.
Signs are permissable in Lynah only if they portray "positive messages", which is why signs with sucks and signs like "Nickerson's Home" were confiscated, though I don't believe the carryers of such signs were ejected. Signs like "Nickerson is a bitch" are clearly grounds for removal from Lynah Rink, per the agreement on the back of your ticket stub...
And now the part that's been pissing me off all year....Our Fans Suck now....Some of the stuff they do is just ridiculous, brand new, and not within tradition at all. First, the asshole chant. It's "See ya asshole...you goon"...NOT YOU LOSE!!! Second, Gary Glitter "the fuck-em-up song" to those who don't know, does NOT involve hands in the air. Clap normal, that is the way it has always been. This new raising hands in the air after clapping garbage is annoying and gay. Third, "Frus-TRAAAA-ted", NOT "frustrated" Fourth, you say bend over once and wait for him to do it. You DO NOT chant it. That sounded so stupid the one game where the bend over chant went for a full minute, because the goalie wouldn't do it...it was awful...Fifth, "Rensalear Polytechnic Innnnnnnstitute Sucks", NOT "RPI sucks"...Sixth, "Haaaarvard Sucks", not "Harvard Sucks". You have to draw out the first syllable when you do it. I will teach everyone how in Albany, when I do all the teams at different times. Listen if you are there...Finally, Freshmen, and all others, have no right changing any of the cheers and traditions. If someone starts something new, like the arms thing during gary Glitter, just don't follow them...it won't catch on, and I won't need to write an e-mail like this ever again.
One final thought...It might be nice to cheer "Let's go red" more often than "Nickerson Sucks"....especially when Nickerson sucks is not helping anything, and the Red could use the encouragement. Once again, the idea is "support the athletes in a positive manner", not to try and piss off the opponent, since it usually does very little.  I also think we need a cheering class for all the season ticket holders while they are waiting in line. Maybe Cowbell Guy can do it, since he knows the proper way to do the cheers. We'll see what we can put together...

I couldn't agree with you LESS, Trigger.  

Being a good hockey fan isn't about knowing the chants properly, its about being clever, getting into the heads of the other team and using these to get an advantage.  When somebody says "you lose" instead of "you goon," just look at them and laugh.  The guys on the ice don't care about those chants, and whether or not we waive our hands to the Fuck em Up song.  My friends and I joke about the formula for when to jiggle the keys at the end of the game (which can be found somewhere on Adrianno Macchio's wonderful site).  Going to the games is not about being predictable.  If you want to bring back the Lynah Advantage, come to warmups, and mock the players.  Be creative.  I made fun of one of the Clarkson guys who tried to flip the puck up off of the ice, and failed.  I told him to keep practicing, and without looking at me or saying anything, he flipped a puck up into the stands right at me (the puck was then confiscated by the cops).  Granted he showed me that I was wrong, but I knew I got to him.  Then when the game starts you can continue to mock them all game.  Some cheers pick up, others don't.  Believe it or not, I started singing the "Stars at Night" at the begining of the second.  The first time I did it, people made fun of me and had no idea what I was doing.  The second time a few people joined in.  Last I checked, I have all of A and B doing it, and the band playing a subpar rendition of a great song.  

Trigger, I see from your IP address thingee that you are writing from a Cornell computer which means you are probably a freshman (or can't find anyone to live with you off campus).  I call on you to take the place of our outgoing senior fans like Mike Rosenberg who think of creative chants.  Otherwise Lynah will continue to lose its edge.

And with the Cornell administration continuing to censor our materials, this may be all that we have left.  [/Q]

[Trigger]

Whoops. Anyway, I am not a freshman, obviously, as i know tradition. I can't argue that knowing the exact words to chants is the key to winning, I was merely expressing that it annoyed me. All cheering is for the fans to have fun...it doesn't really affect the players on the ice in most cases. Every now and then the fans get in the head of a player, but it is never just one person. It is everyone chanting together. Granted, someone has to start the chants, which is good, but this phone number crap and some of the new things we have been trying I do not like at all. After speaking with an alumnus friend of mine, your posting name means a lot more to me. Most of the fans this year are just damn face-timers. The freshmen were told before they got here that hockey was the "trendy" thing to do here, so they all made sure to get there early for tickets. Many of them don't know the game, or care about it that much. They go as a social event, and never expected Cornell to lose. These fairweather fans also caused many "real" Cornell fans not to be able to get season tickets, but that is somewhat the administration's fault as well. I don't mean to place blame, and i am not calling anyone specifically a face-timer, but I did notice that sections b, d, and e didn't know many cheers (showing they haven't been around much, and are likely freshmen) and that many of them decided they could start their own at any time, which creates chaos, because no one can tell who to follow. Once again I want to reiterate that "bend over" need only be said once, thank you section d or e for changing that and making it sound cheesy. And I saw the guy shoot the puck toward you, and i thought he should have been at least talked to by the refs, if not ejected. Good to know who you are, though.
[Q]Trigger Wrote:

 Facetimer Wrote:

 Trigger Wrote:

 Ok, now you have gotten me started. The ushers at Lynah are only doing their jobs. It's Andy Noel who doesn't want any of the swearing, etc...and he rules the way he sees fit. I personally feel that "f- em up" isn't understandable enough for kids, since you can tell them people are saying "puck puck puck" or something else, but it still is what it is. Swearing isn't allowed, so now we should change to "rough em up", despite how much we don't want to.
Signs are permissable in Lynah only if they portray "positive messages", which is why signs with sucks and signs like "Nickerson's Home" were confiscated, though I don't believe the carryers of such signs were ejected. Signs like "Nickerson is a bitch" are clearly grounds for removal from Lynah Rink, per the agreement on the back of your ticket stub...
And now the part that's been pissing me off all year....Our Fans Suck now....Some of the stuff they do is just ridiculous, brand new, and not within tradition at all. First, the asshole chant. It's "See ya asshole...you goon"...NOT YOU LOSE!!! Second, Gary Glitter "the fuck-em-up song" to those who don't know, does NOT involve hands in the air. Clap normal, that is the way it has always been. This new raising hands in the air after clapping garbage is annoying and gay. Third, "Frus-TRAAAA-ted", NOT "frustrated" Fourth, you say bend over once and wait for him to do it. You DO NOT chant it. That sounded so stupid the one game where the bend over chant went for a full minute, because the goalie wouldn't do it...it was awful...Fifth, "Rensalear Polytechnic Innnnnnnstitute Sucks", NOT "RPI sucks"...Sixth, "Haaaarvard Sucks", not "Harvard Sucks". You have to draw out the first syllable when you do it. I will teach everyone how in Albany, when I do all the teams at different times. Listen if you are there...Finally, Freshmen, and all others, have no right changing any of the cheers and traditions. If someone starts something new, like the arms thing during gary Glitter, just don't follow them...it won't catch on, and I won't need to write an e-mail like this ever again.
One final thought...It might be nice to cheer "Let's go red" more often than "Nickerson Sucks"....especially when Nickerson sucks is not helping anything, and the Red could use the encouragement. Once again, the idea is "support the athletes in a positive manner", not to try and piss off the opponent, since it usually does very little.  I also think we need a cheering class for all the season ticket holders while they are waiting in line. Maybe Cowbell Guy can do it, since he knows the proper way to do the cheers. We'll see what we can put together...

I couldn't agree with you LESS, Trigger.  

Being a good hockey fan isn't about knowing the chants properly, its about being clever, getting into the heads of the other team and using these to get an advantage.  When somebody says "you lose" instead of "you goon," just look at them and laugh.  The guys on the ice don't care about those chants, and whether or not we waive our hands to the Fuck em Up song.  My friends and I joke about the formula for when to jiggle the keys at the end of the game (which can be found somewhere on Adrianno Macchio's wonderful site).  Going to the games is not about being predictable.  If you want to bring back the Lynah Advantage, come to warmups, and mock the players.  Be creative.  I made fun of one of the Clarkson guys who tried to flip the puck up off of the ice, and failed.  I told him to keep practicing, and without looking at me or saying anything, he flipped a puck up into the stands right at me (the puck was then confiscated by the cops).  Granted he showed me that I was wrong, but I knew I got to him.  Then when the game starts you can continue to mock them all game.  Some cheers pick up, others don't.  Believe it or not, I started singing the "Stars at Night" at the begining of the second.  The first time I did it, people made fun of me and had no idea what I was doing.  The second time a few people joined in.  Last I checked, I have all of A and B doing it, and the band playing a subpar rendition of a great song.  

Trigger, I see from your IP address thingee that you are writing from a Cornell computer which means you are probably a freshman (or can't find anyone to live with you off campus).  I call on you to take the place of our outgoing senior fans like Mike Rosenberg who think of creative chants.  Otherwise Lynah will continue to lose its edge.

And with the Cornell administration continuing to censor our materials, this may be all that we have left.  

 [/Q]

[Josh '99]

[Q]Trigger Wrote:
Every now and then the fans get in the head of a player, but it is never just one person.
 [/Q]I disagree.  :-D

[jtwcornell91]

[Q]Trigger Wrote:

Most of the fans this year are just damn face-timers. The freshmen were told before they got here that hockey was the "trendy" thing to do here, so they all made sure to get there early for tickets. Many of them don't know the game, or care about it that much. They go as a social event, and never expected Cornell to lose.
[/Q]

Well the silver lining of this season's downturn (both compared to the unrealistic expectation that we'll go to the Frozen Four every year, and in absolute terms because while the team did better than most of us expected over the course of the season, the home record was poor, and the early exit from the playoffs was disappointing) is that many of the spectators you speak of will not be back.

[Erica]

Incidentally, I have a story about the phone number thing. My boyfriend went to Princeton this weekend to visit a friend, and it turns out the friend's roommate is the starting goalie for the hockey team (Leroux.) After he found out my boyfriend was a Cornellian, he started him telling how crazy the fans were. He said he came home the weekend after playing in Ithaca and he had dozens of messages on his cell phone telling him he sucks. And the backup goalie's father, who lives in Toronto, got dozens of calls all night. I guess it has its desired effect. It's actually kind of amusing, although I don't necessarily like the fact that they called the father. But, hey he did send his son to Princeton. (not going to dis NJ since I grew up there.)

[Jim Hyla]

[Q]Erica Wrote:

 Incidentally, I have a story about the phone number thing. My boyfriend went to Princeton this weekend to visit a friend, and it turns out the friend's roommate is the starting goalie for the hockey team (Leroux.) After he found out my boyfriend was a Cornellian, he started him telling how crazy the fans were. He said he came home the weekend after playing in Ithaca and he had dozens of messages on his cell phone telling him he sucks. And the backup goalie's father, who lives in Toronto, got dozens of calls all night. I guess it has its desired effect. It's actually kind of amusing, although I don't necessarily like the fact that they called the father. But, hey he did send his son to Princeton. (not going to dis NJ since I grew up there.) [/Q]But like the players, we have to learn to leave it on the ice. When the game is done, it's over::rolleyes:: , and we should all be able to go out for a beer together.

We don't want to be like some of those toothpaste schools, do we? ::twitch::

[ben03]

[Q]Jim Hyla Wrote:

But like the players, we have to learn to leave it on the ice. When the game is done, it's over, and we should all be able to go out for a beer together.

We don't want to be like some of those toothpaste schools, do we?  
 [/Q]

::nut::  ::nut::  ::nut:: ... so are you saying as long as ppl call during the game it is okay??? ::nut::  ::nut::  ::nut::

[Jim Hyla]

[Q]ben03 Wrote:

 Jim Hyla Wrote:

But like the players, we have to learn to leave it on the ice. When the game is done, it's over, and we should all be able to go out for a beer together.

We don't want to be like some of those toothpaste schools, do we?  
 

     ... so are you saying as long as ppl call during the game it is okay???      
 [/Q]Yeah, I guess that's what I said ::worry:: , but I'd rather you cheer instead:-}.

[Lauren '06]

[Q]He said he came home the weekend after playing in Ithaca and he had dozens of messages on his cell phone telling him he sucks. And the backup goalie's father, who lives in Toronto, got dozens of calls all night. I guess it has its desired effect. It's actually kind of amusing, although I don't necessarily like the fact that they called the father. But, hey he did send his son to Princeton. (not going to dis NJ since I grew up there.)[/Q]

Does anyone else find that really really disturbing?