The Lynah and E-Lynah Gestapo

[jtwcornell91]

[Q]BigD Wrote:
Granted, of all the fans there, the students would most likely be able to make it to the games on time, but the real blame here lies with whomever made the idiotic decision to change the start time from 7:30 to 7:00. The only thing I can come with is that it is part of the effort to make the rink more family friendly, but it isn't working. Getting to the game by 7 sucks, even on Saturday. Anyone with a job and a family can't possibly get home, get dinner, and get to the game on time. Move the games back to 7:30, or at least the Friday game, and you will see more fans there on time.
[/Q]

This is an especially good idea in light of the new fast faceoff rules that mean a typical game is over in two hours and ten minutes.

[Steve Marciniec \'85]

It is somewhat ironic that Lynah Rink is becoming more restrictive at the same time that society as a whole is so much more liberal about what is acceptable.  Kids are swearing at a younger age than ever before and yet so many people are worried about whether they will hear , gasp, a bad word at a hockey game.  ::twitch::

If you think there is any correlation between the rink Nazis, poorer fan support, and ultimately a loss of our home ice advantage (playing only 0.500 hockey at Lynah is pretty sad any year), I encourage you to let Schafer know about it.  I loved his passion as a player and have tremendous respect for what his coaching has done to bring the Cornell hockey program back to glory, but it is hypocritical of him to demand a profanity free environment in the stands when he himself has used it in public press conferences.  His son is older now, maybe his position has changed.

[Facetimer]

I couldn't have said it better myself. Schafer is a hypocrite. Steve, you also forgot to mention this is the same man who wants all the fans to sleep out in a ridiculous line so he can have the most "die hard" fans in the rink. Provided of course, the fans behave in a respectable manner  ::screwy:: seems a little contradictary to me. I do encourage all of you to email Schafer and point out the hypocricy, if he is so concerened with his kid hearing bad language, then he should not expect the best fans in college hockey. HE CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. I'm expecting someone to post oh no, don't criticize Schafer for he is a god and should be idolized. I'm just saying he's a bit of a hypocrite, he might be a decent coach and good recruiter. But he's a GIANT hypocrite, if you don't believe me just ask Dupree.

[ugarte]

[Q]Facetimer Wrote:Schafer is a hypocrite. Steve, you also forgot to mention this is the same man who wants all the fans to sleep out in a ridiculous line so he can have the most "die hard" fans in the rink.  Provided of course, the fans behave in a respectable manner [/Q]I don't know if this counts as your expected response, Facetimer, but ...

I'm not sure I understand the hypocrisy.  Why is it necessarily true that die hard fans  curse like truckers? I can't go a few sentences in casual conversation without using "fuck" as an adjective, but I don't do the same thing at meetings or at public places where there are kids around.  It is just courtesy and discretion.

I don't approve of the ultra-protective environment because it encourages aggressive and random behavior from the ushers, but given that the no-cursing rule is, in fact, the law of the rink, I think that even the most faithful of The Faithful are capable of following the rules.

[Will]

[Q]Facetimer Wrote:

if he is so concerened with his kid hearing bad language, then he should not expect the best fans in college hockey. HE CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. [/Q]

I'd just like to point out that I've been able to pretty effectively heckle the other teams' goalies over the past few weeks without cursing at all.  (Ask my friends if you don't believe me.)  I'd like to consider myself to be among the best fans in college hockey.  (Well, Cornell hockey, anyway.)

[Rosey]

[Q]Will Wrote:
I'd like to consider myself to be among the best fans in college hockey.  (Well, Cornell hockey, anyway.)
 [/Q]

The mere fact that you need to question this is more profound than any other post in this thread.

[Trigger]

Ok, now you have gotten me started. The ushers at Lynah are only doing their jobs. It's Andy Noel who doesn't want any of the swearing, etc...and he rules the way he sees fit. I personally feel that "f- em up" isn't understandable enough for kids, since you can tell them people are saying "puck puck puck" or something else, but it still is what it is. Swearing isn't allowed, so now we should change to "rough em up", despite how much we don't want to.
Signs are permissable in Lynah only if they portray "positive messages", which is why signs with sucks and signs like "Nickerson's Home" were confiscated, though I don't believe the carryers of such signs were ejected. Signs like "Nickerson is a bitch" are clearly grounds for removal from Lynah Rink, per the agreement on the back of your ticket stub...
And now the part that's been pissing me off all year....Our Fans Suck now....Some of the stuff they do is just ridiculous, brand new, and not within tradition at all. First, the asshole chant. It's "See ya asshole...you goon"...NOT YOU LOSE!!! Second, Gary Glitter "the fuck-em-up song" to those who don't know, does NOT involve hands in the air. Clap normal, that is the way it has always been. This new raising hands in the air after clapping garbage is annoying and gay. Third, "Frus-TRAAAA-ted", NOT "frustrated" Fourth, you say bend over once and wait for him to do it. You DO NOT chant it. That sounded so stupid the one game where the bend over chant went for a full minute, because the goalie wouldn't do it...it was awful...Fifth, "Rensalear Polytechnic Innnnnnnstitute Sucks", NOT "RPI sucks"...Sixth, "Haaaarvard Sucks", not "Harvard Sucks". You have to draw out the first syllable when you do it. I will teach everyone how in Albany, when I do all the teams at different times. Listen if you are there...Finally, Freshmen, and all others, have no right changing any of the cheers and traditions. If someone starts something new, like the arms thing during gary Glitter, just don't follow them...it won't catch on, and I won't need to write an e-mail like this ever again.
One final thought...It might be nice to cheer "Let's go red" more often than "Nickerson Sucks"....especially when Nickerson sucks is not helping anything, and the Red could use the encouragement. Once again, the idea is "support the athletes in a positive manner", not to try and piss off the opponent, since it usually does very little.  I also think we need a cheering class for all the season ticket holders while they are waiting in line. Maybe Cowbell Guy can do it, since he knows the proper way to do the cheers. We'll see what we can put together...

[Rob NH]

Whats the hands in the air deal during Rock n' Roll Part II? Not blind, just an out of towner.

[Facetimer]

[Q]Trigger Wrote:

 Ok, now you have gotten me started. The ushers at Lynah are only doing their jobs. It's Andy Noel who doesn't want any of the swearing, etc...and he rules the way he sees fit. I personally feel that "f- em up" isn't understandable enough for kids, since you can tell them people are saying "puck puck puck" or something else, but it still is what it is. Swearing isn't allowed, so now we should change to "rough em up", despite how much we don't want to.
Signs are permissable in Lynah only if they portray "positive messages", which is why signs with sucks and signs like "Nickerson's Home" were confiscated, though I don't believe the carryers of such signs were ejected. Signs like "Nickerson is a bitch" are clearly grounds for removal from Lynah Rink, per the agreement on the back of your ticket stub...
And now the part that's been pissing me off all year....Our Fans Suck now....Some of the stuff they do is just ridiculous, brand new, and not within tradition at all. First, the asshole chant. It's "See ya asshole...you goon"...NOT YOU LOSE!!! Second, Gary Glitter "the fuck-em-up song" to those who don't know, does NOT involve hands in the air. Clap normal, that is the way it has always been. This new raising hands in the air after clapping garbage is annoying and gay. Third, "Frus-TRAAAA-ted", NOT "frustrated" Fourth, you say bend over once and wait for him to do it. You DO NOT chant it. That sounded so stupid the one game where the bend over chant went for a full minute, because the goalie wouldn't do it...it was awful...Fifth, "Rensalear Polytechnic Innnnnnnstitute Sucks", NOT "RPI sucks"...Sixth, "Haaaarvard Sucks", not "Harvard Sucks". You have to draw out the first syllable when you do it. I will teach everyone how in Albany, when I do all the teams at different times. Listen if you are there...Finally, Freshmen, and all others, have no right changing any of the cheers and traditions. If someone starts something new, like the arms thing during gary Glitter, just don't follow them...it won't catch on, and I won't need to write an e-mail like this ever again.
One final thought...It might be nice to cheer "Let's go red" more often than "Nickerson Sucks"....especially when Nickerson sucks is not helping anything, and the Red could use the encouragement. Once again, the idea is "support the athletes in a positive manner", not to try and piss off the opponent, since it usually does very little.  I also think we need a cheering class for all the season ticket holders while they are waiting in line. Maybe Cowbell Guy can do it, since he knows the proper way to do the cheers. We'll see what we can put together... [/Q]

I couldn't agree with you LESS, Trigger.  ::help::

Being a good hockey fan isn't about knowing the chants properly, its about being clever, getting into the heads of the other team and using these to get an advantage.  When somebody says "you lose" instead of "you goon," just look at them and laugh.  The guys on the ice don't care about those chants, and whether or not we waive our hands to the Fuck em Up song.  My friends and I joke about the formula for when to jiggle the keys at the end of the game (which can be found somewhere on Adrianno Macchio's wonderful site).  Going to the games is not about being predictable.  If you want to bring back the Lynah Advantage, come to warmups, and mock the players.  Be creative.  I made fun of one of the Clarkson guys who tried to flip the puck up off of the ice, and failed.  I told him to keep practicing, and without looking at me or saying anything, he flipped a puck up into the stands right at me (the puck was then confiscated by the cops).  Granted he showed me that I was wrong, but I knew I got to him.  Then when the game starts you can continue to mock them all game.  Some cheers pick up, others don't.  Believe it or not, I started singing the "Stars at Night" at the begining of the second.  The first time I did it, people made fun of me and had no idea what I was doing.  The second time a few people joined in.  Last I checked, I have all of A and B doing it, and the band playing a subpar rendition of a great song.  

Trigger, I see from your IP address thingee that you are writing from a Cornell computer which means you are probably a freshman (or can't find anyone to live with you off campus).  I call on you to take the place of our outgoing senior fans like Mike Rosenberg who think of creative chants.  Otherwise Lynah will continue to lose its edge.

And with the Cornell administration continuing to censor our materials, this may be all that we have left.

[Will]

Wow...at first I thought the 'gestapo' label was a little harsh, but after reading this...

[Q]Trigger Wrote:

And now the part that's been pissing me off all year....Our Fans Suck now....Some of the stuff they do is just ridiculous, brand new, and not within tradition at all. First, the asshole chant. It's "See ya asshole...you goon"...NOT YOU LOSE!!![/q]I actually agree with you, but on the other hand, if the cheer changes, it changes.  And the idea of telling an opponent that they lose isn't a bad thing in my mind.

[q]Second, Gary Glitter "the fuck-em-up song" to those who don't know, does NOT involve hands in the air. Clap normal, that is the way it has always been. This new raising hands in the air after clapping garbage is annoying and gay.[/q]At first, I thought it looked stupid too.  But then I realized it actually helped those of us on the far side of the rink to actually keep in sync with the clapping during the song.  For as bad as the hands-in-the-air looks, it's not as bad as an out-of-sync cheer.

[q]Third, "Frus-TRAAAA-ted", NOT "frustrated"[/q]I don't understand, I don't hear it coming out differently.

[q]Fourth, you say bend over once and wait for him to do it. You DO NOT chant it. That sounded so stupid the one game where the bend over chant went for a full minute, because the goalie wouldn't do it...it was awful...[/q]I believe the goalie was Josh Gartner of Yale. Gartner wasn't the type to bend over a lot except when the puck was moving towards him.  Then again, it did seem like he was intentionally not bending over just to screw with the fans. Of course, that just means he's listening, which is really the point of it all.

[q]Fifth, "Rensalear Polytechnic Innnnnnnstitute Sucks", NOT "RPI sucks"[/q]Agreed. (I don't know about drawing out the 'n' in Institute, though.) I just hope we continue to call it the Polytechnic Institute if the proposed named change to Rensselaer University goes through.

[q]Sixth, "Haaaarvard Sucks", not "Harvard Sucks". You have to draw out the first syllable when you do it. I will teach everyone how in Albany, when I do all the teams at different times. Listen if you are there[/q]I get the feeling that the shortened "Harvard" is being done mainly by those whose voices just can't carry it out that long. At least they're trying.

[q]Finally, Freshmen, and all others, have no right changing any of the cheers and traditions. If someone starts something new, like the arms thing during gary Glitter, just don't follow them...it won't catch on, and I won't need to write an e-mail like this ever again.[/q]Wow, somebody's being rather elitist. Cheers change over time. I'm quite sure they were different before you're time, and they'll continue to change. That's the nature of these things.

[q]One final thought...It might be nice to cheer "Let's go red" more often than "Nickerson Sucks"....especially when Nickerson sucks is not helping anything, and the Red could use the encouragement. Once again, the idea is "support the athletes in a positive manner", not to try and piss off the opponent, since it usually does very little.[/q]I don't know if I want the LGR cheers to be done more often, so much as I want them to last longer than they do.  Recently, they just don't seem to carry out as long as they used to.

[q]I also think we need a cheering class for all the season ticket holders while they are waiting in line. Maybe Cowbell Guy can do it, since he knows the proper way to do the cheers. We'll see what we can put together... [/Q]As I recall Age once saying, people don't like being told what to do. I'm all for educating the fans, but I don't want to totally direct them in how they should cheer, so long as they show up and make some noise. Well, cheering noise, anyway--I don't want them having unrelated conversations and chatting on their cell phones.

[Jim Hyla]

[Q]BigD Wrote:

 
Getting to the game by 7 sucks, even on Saturday. Anyone with a job and a family can't possibly get home, get dinner, and get to the game on time. Move the games back to 7:30, or at least the Friday game, and you will see more fans there on time. [/Q]I hate to disagree:-D , but I seem to make it coming from Syracuse. Granted that there is a pizza ready when I get home, or we grab something on the road, but we make it. Now would it be easier if it was 7:30, sure, but then we get home later, so?

I don't think it's the time but the determination.

[DisturbinThaPe-a-ce]

Again, I'm with Facetimer on this one. Trigger, why do you think every thing has to be a certain way? Sure everything is "tradition" but jesus, at least we're supporting the damn team!! Do you honestly have to nitpick how people shout "frustrated" or how people pronounce "Harvard"? Does it matter THAT much to you? If it does, you need to start paying more attention to the game... because if your ears catch every little syllable, then you can’t possibly be directing your attention to the game in a way that's very engaged. And if you don't like the new Gary Glitter clapping style, DON'T DO IT! We all have options. What's next? Do you think all fans should be wearing red shirts on top, and jeans on bottom? What happens when someone, who's been going to the games much LONGER than you have, shows up in a forest green sweater? Are you gonna tell them off? Do you dare?

And by the way, I thought it was pretty damn funny when that goalie wouldn't bend over for a full minute. But that's MY opinion. Does everyone agree? No. And that's why lots of people don't agree with YOU.

[A-19]

[Q]Trigger Wrote:

 If someone starts something new, just don't follow them. [/Q]

The whole purpose of the creative aspect of Lynah is that we do try new things, some more successful than others. As great as the "staple" cheers are, I think it's a massive mistake to rely WHOLLY on the "pre-approved" cheers that people started 30 years ago. New additions, both individual and group, never hurt anyone.

[Q]Facetimer Wrote:

I call on you to take the place of our outgoing senior fans like Mike Rosenberg who think of creative chants.  Otherwise Lynah will continue to lose its edge.  [/Q]


Thank you. I hope to make one home game or so. I also plan to be in attendance at the Harvard away game, where I will be a graduate student. It's going to be odd cheering for Harvard against other ECAC teams (never against Cornell), so I think I am just going to continue cheering negatively against the opposition.

-Mike

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

Well this alum says screw tradition.  God help me for saying it, but Facetimer makes some valid points.

IMO, whatever works to keep the fans involved is what we should be doing.  Most of the cheers that are being done now are completely different than when I was in school.  Hell, they're almost completly different than 10 years ago.  If "you goon" evolves into "you lose", so what!  The idea is the noise and the harassment.  And coming up with formulae as to when it's appropriate to jingle the keys?  Well that's just plain ridiculous.

regarding profanity, I admit that when I first heard "See ya, asshole" or "Fuck 'em up" I loved it and joined right in (but I'm not a parent).  However, if the administration has determined that they want to stamp out profanity, there's not much we can do about it.  Move on.  Find something within the rules.

On the other hand, if they have cops coming down to take pucks away when they leave the rink, that's just too much.  Next thing you know they'll keep people from throwing hats on the ice after a hat trick.  There's a reasonable compromise here.  Work with The Red Line and Schafer to make it happen.

JH

[Pete Godenschwager]

[Q]Finally, Freshmen, and all others, have no right changing any of the cheers and traditions. If someone starts something new, like the arms thing during gary Glitter, just don't follow them...it won't catch on, and I won't need to write an e-mail like this ever again[/Q]

 WTF? At what point did we stop changing things?  1972?  1985? 1997? I didn't get the letter in the mail saying that as of this day cheers have stopped evolving.  Cheers are for the fans to do and have fun with.  If you stop evolving cheers, you take the life out of them.  Fans feel like they're just robots, repeating what they've been told to repeat at particular points in the game.  I really hope you were being sarcastic in your original post.