Cornell 16th in PWR after Fri night

[hIKE]

A few more wins, maybe a trip to the ECAC Final, even with an unlucky loss and they still might have a shot at an at large bid.

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

I wish, but it's not likely.

If you look at the teams ahead of them, they have to catch Mighican State, Providence, St. Cloud, and Colgate.  The best we're going to do on TUC wins (assuming we don't win the ECAC tourney) is 5-8-2 and that won't catch MSU or Colgate.  The only way we catch Colgate is to get another head-to-head win, and that only happens if we win the tournament.  Plus our RPI aint that great, and the other teams can't worsen with the new set up.

Let's just win it all, and not worry about the PWR!

JH

[jtwcornell91]

Also not that we're tied for 16th with Providence, who win the individual comparison with us, and also have a higher RPI.  So we're really 17th.

[Greg Berge]

And we need to get to 13th.  So... close, but no cigar without the whatever-it's-called trophy.  Whitelaw?

[nyc94]

Not that it reall changes anything but I think we could win the comparison with St. Cloud.
From USCHO currently
          St. Cloud State   vs   Cornell
             .5405     1   RPI   0      .5244
7-11-2    .4000     1   TUC   0     .3846   4-7-2
3-2-0      .6000     0   COp   1     .8333   5-1-0
        0-0-0   0         H2H   0     0-0-0
                         2   TOT   1

If St. Cloud loses to Minnesota this afternoon their TUC record falls to 7-12-2 or .3810 which flips the entire comparison.  Not much we can hope for in the others.

[billhoward]

Problem with Cornell playing in the ECAC is we have the easiest schedule year in, year out because Cornell doesn't don't have to play Cornell. The ECAC as a group did not do a lot against non-ECAC teams.

Colgate could get an at large big losing to Cornell in the ECAC finals better, I think, than Cornell could losing to Colgate in the finals. I still think Cornell has the ability to march all the way through the ECACs unbeaten. Cornell *can* beat every ECAC team. It just hasn't done it. You never know if this is a one, two, or three goal night for the Big Red on offense.

If there's an ECAC at large team, it probably gets shipped off to the middle of nowhere to play North Dakota in the first round. The seeding committee has a lot of discretionary authority to place teams as it sees fit for the good of the game, once it satisfies all its other rules. Or in order to satisfy its other rules.

Cornell should become host of the East regionals. (You don't have to have your college in Albany. You just have to be the declared host.) One of the inviolate rules is the host team, if it qualifies, stays in its own region. Michigan makes out like a bandit half the years by being host to the regionals held in Grand Rapids.

[billhoward]

Problem with Cornell playing in the ECAC is we have the easiest schedule year in, year out because Cornell doesn't don't have to play Cornell. The ECAC as a group did not do a lot against non-ECAC teams.

Colgate could get an at large big losing to Cornell in the ECAC finals better, I think, than Cornell could losing to Colgate in the finals. I still think Cornell has the ability to march all the way through the ECACs unbeaten. Cornell *can* beat every ECAC team. It just hasn't done it. You never know if this is a one, two, or three goal night for the Big Red on offense.

If there's an ECAC at large team, it probably gets shipped off to the middle of nowhere to play North Dakota in the first round. The seeding committee has a lot of discretionary authority to place teams as it sees fit for the good of the game, once it satisfies all its other rules. Or in order to satisfy its other rules.

Cornell should become host of the East regionals. (You don't have to have your college in Albany. You just have to be the declared host.) One of the inviolate rules is the host team, if it qualifies, stays in its own region. Michigan makes out like a bandit half the years by being host to the regionals held in Grand Rapids.

[billhoward]

Problem with Cornell playing in the ECAC is we have the easiest schedule year in, year out because Cornell doesn't don't have to play Cornell. The ECAC as a group did not do a lot against non-ECAC teams.

Colgate could get an at large big losing to Cornell in the ECAC finals better, I think, than Cornell could losing to Colgate in the finals. I still think Cornell has the ability to march all the way through the ECACs unbeaten. Cornell *can* beat every ECAC team. It just hasn't done it. You never know if this is a one, two, or three goal night for the Big Red on offense.

If there's an ECAC at large team, it probably gets shipped off to the middle of nowhere to play North Dakota in the first round. The seeding committee has a lot of discretionary authority to place teams as it sees fit for the good of the game, once it satisfies all its other rules. Or in order to satisfy its other rules.

Cornell should become host of the East regionals. (You don't have to have your college in Albany. You just have to be the declared host.) One of the inviolate rules is the host team, if it qualifies, stays in its own region. Michigan makes out like a bandit half the years by being host to the regionals held in Grand Rapids.

[jtwcornell91]

[Q]billhoward Wrote:

Cornell should become host of the East regionals. (You don't have to have your college in Albany. You just have to be the declared host.) One of the inviolate rules is the host team, if it qualifies, stays in its own region. Michigan makes out like a bandit half the years by being host to the regionals held in Grand Rapids.  [/Q]

Western Michigan is the host when the regionals are in Grand Rapids.  Michigan has hosted a lot of regional in Ann Arbor, which is an even bigger advantage because it's on campus.

It's too bad the War Memorial is such a dump, or Cornell could host the regionals in Syracuse.  At the intersection of two interstates and with a decent-sized airport.  Not to mention Dinosaur Bar-B-Que. :-D

[nyc94]

[Q]billhoward Wrote:
If there's an ECAC at large team, it probably gets shipped off to the middle of nowhere to play North Dakota in the first round. The seeding committee has a lot of discretionary authority to place teams as it sees fit for the good of the game, once it satisfies all its other rules. Or in order to satisfy its other rules.
 [/Q]

Well, before considering intraconference matchups in the first round, the top two seeds should be playing the CHA and Atlantic Hockey autobids.  If North Dakota stays number one in the Pairwise and BC and Maine stay two and three, then the number fourteen team would in all likelihood be sent to Albany to play Maine in the first round.

[jtwcornell91]

[Q]nyc94 Wrote:
Well, before considering intraconference matchups in the first round, the top two seeds should be playing the CHA and Atlantic Hockey autobids.
[/Q]
Except that's not how it works.  As we saw graphically last season, avoiding first round matchups and keeping the teams in their "bands" are priorities which trump the overall seeding.  We "should" have played Wayne State but got Mankato instead because there were two 1-seeds and two 4-seeds from the WCHA, so they couldn't be matched up in the first round.

[nyc94]

[Q]jtwcornell91 Wrote:

 nyc94 Wrote:
Well, before considering intraconference matchups in the first round, the top two seeds should be playing the CHA and Atlantic Hockey autobids.

Except that's not how it works.  As we saw graphically last season, avoiding first round matchups and keeping the teams in their "bands" are priorities which trump the overall seeding.  We "should" have played Wayne State but got Mankato instead because there were two 1-seeds and two 4-seeds from the WCHA, so they couldn't be matched up in the first round.

 [/Q]

That is why the first line of my post was "before considering intraconference matchups in the first round".  In fact, that was the only part of my post you quoted!  I further qualified it by saying "should".

[finchphil]

Interesting concept for Cornell to "host" a regional.  Obiviously Lynah is too small for such an event, however USCHO notes that Rochester is hosting a regional in 2007

East Regional: Blue Cross Arena, Rochester, N.Y. (March 23-24, 2007)

That would be a lot closer to Ithaca than Albany.  Does anyone know who the host is for this regional?  

[Chris 02]

[Q]finchphil Wrote:

 Interesting concept for Cornell to "host" a regional.  Obiviously Lynah is too small for such an event, however USCHO notes that Rochester is hosting a regional in 2007

East Regional: Blue Cross Arena, Rochester, N.Y. (March 23-24, 2007)

That would be a lot closer to Ithaca than Albany.  Does anyone know who the host is for this regional?  


Edited 1 times. Last edit at 03/06/2004 4:58pm. [/Q]

Niagara or Cansius maybe?

[Chris \'03]

[Q]nyc94 Wrote:

If St. Cloud loses to Minnesota this afternoon their TUC record falls to 7-12-2 or .3810 which flips the entire comparison.  Not much we can hope for in the others. [/Q]

Minnesota 4  -  SCSU 2 Final.

Now just wait for the PWR to update...