Underhill

[CowbellGuy]

I never said it was right for scholarship athletes either! Just moreso for these guys. And no, there's no confidentiality agreement. But aparently there isn't even a modicum of decency in this group either. The right to discuss and debate the injury is not in question here. It never was. Was was being questioned is the source of the information from the deleted post, which I don't think should have been public information. But of course, you lot turned it into a friggin holy war as usual.

[melissa]

ok. this is just my thought on the issue. i have no facts to back me up but am gussing that part of the reason so many players are recruited from canada is because they can more or less get HUGE financial help without "scholarship". getting a lot of money from cornell for tuition is more or less a given for most canadians (its how i got through cornell)because of the exchange rate. a middle class canadian family, after the exchange, hovers just slightly above the poverty line. thus lots of $ could be awarded in terms of financial aid.

[nshapiro]

Can't we all just get along?

[jeh25]

At this point, I can't resist given the flame war this issue has caused.

[Beeeej]

Frankly, I just think it's wonderful that the team has done so well this year that our most urgent priorities seem to be pissing each other off, being right, and having the last word.

Beeeej

[ugarte]

That would be fine if anyone disagreed that the nurse shouldn't have talked. Nobody disagrees with that.

I concede (and I think those on my side also concede) that you were CORRECT to delete the post after the poster realized the nature of her indiscretion. I also want to note that it has been dozens of posts since anyone has discussed the nature of the alleged injury. All we are discussing is the nature of privacy.

If it seems like a holy war, it is only because you feel as strongly about your position as I do about mine.  We both have that old-time religion.  I have nothing to apologize for.  All I have done is disagree (strongly) - and I haven't wasted time accusing my "opponents" of anything but being wrong.

(Dammit, I think we had been getting along for over a year!)

[ugarte]

Point, and match - Hayes.

[CowbellGuy]

Well, I don't censor either (unless it's Hayes). I only removed the post AFTER the person who posted it erased its contents. If they had left it up, I don't feel it would have been my place to remove it. I would have bitched just as vehemently though.

[Erica]

Oh My God!! Everyone needs to RELAX! The first time I heard anything about Undy's injury was a quote from Schafer I read in an article. Something to the effect of, "It's not really anything very serious. It's just a precaution." So if that's what he says, that's what I think. There is no need to speculate. I don't think I read the post about the nurse or whatever but you people read into things way too much. It's all hearsay. As far as I'm concerned, I hope Undy is ok, but who really cares? It's not like our back-up goalie is anything to worry about. As for Yale, they are in 10th place. If they are going to beat us, it won't be because they have slightly altered practice because of our goalie situation. It will be because of a complete offensive and defensive breakdown on our part. Besides, their coaches are probably more knowledgeable of the situation than we are anyway.  What we say or write about is nothing more than speculation on others' speculation, and a) no one is going to read this looking for legitimate info, and b)those who do read this are not going to take it anymore seriously than as speculation. My God! How can you people actually enjoy hockey when you get so emotional over such things?

[CUlater \'89]

Erica, you've kinda missed the point of the recent posts, which contain a more theoretical discussion of a non-scholarship student-athletes expectation of privacy and the fans' right to discuss said student-athlete.  I don't think anyone here has any problem enjoying hockey, but we do have different views on when it is OK to disclose information that may have come from a source who violated a person's confidence and when it is appropriate to discuss such information once it is in the public domain.

But as to losing to Yale, sure, the Elis finished in 10th place and we finished in first, but I think it will take far less than a "complete offensive and defensive breakdown" for us to lose.  Did you miss the fact that they tied us 1-1 at Lynah and we only beat them 3-2 at the Whale, with a winning goal coming with 16 seconds left in the third period?  It seems to me that if forms holds, they will be close games, where  a bounce of the puck could make the difference.  Don't be overconfident; anything can happen, although as was mentioned in another thread, in a best-of-three series, the better team tends to win.

[Beeeej]

You've got your venues reversed.  They tied us at the Whale (after we scored less than a minute in, they kept us scoreless for the remaining 59+ minutes) and we beat them at Lynah.

Beeeej

[Erica]

Thanks Beeej! Geez, I knew I was going to get lambasted. What I said was mostly tongue-in-cheek, as most of the people who actually know me would probably attest that I tend to joke about lots of things.  I didn't forget about all that Yale stuff, CULater. Matter of fact, I was at the Whale.
I'm confident that they will win, overconfident, never. If they lose, they lose. It was a great season, and no one would be more disappointed than them. If they lose, it will probably be because they did not play their best, in addition to Yale being at the top of their game. I am not going to lose sleep over it.

The games Cornell has lost this year, barring a couple close ones, I have not felt too bad about, because when they don't come out to play, I don't feel bad when they lose.  Also, anyone who knows me knows that I am one of the most realistic people around, so I take things as they come. It's too bad Underhill's hurt, but there's not a whole lot  I can do about it, so I tend not to think about it too much. As for the issue of privacy, yes, maybe it was wrong, but ok, it happened. 'Nuff said. Whatever. I'm not going to defend myself here any longer. I just want to watch hockey!

[Brunke]

There's a great signature on the board, one that i just am too tired to find right now

"cornell is not a university, rather independent fiefdoms UNITED by a hockey team"

privacy is a MAJOR issue, true. the bill of rights gives us free speech (and therefore speculation) true. but let us NEVER forget why we all come here, to the eLF, for our UNITY. in all ways and shapres we follor, care, and are concerned for our players, our friends. (whether we know them or not)

lets put all fo this behind us, it won't matter at all, and we can all laugh about it when we gather at MUDPUDDLES!

LGR!

[Beeeej]

*sniff*

That's beautiful, man.

Beeeej

[Brunke]

thanks beeej, i knew i could make someone cry :`(