Underhill

[Al DeFlorio]

Jayson Moy described it on a USCHO thread as "Underhill went down hard" in warmups.

[jason]

Actually, the script says "Brian's", a manufacturer of goalie equipment.

[marty\'74]

Thanks ::nut::

[ugarte]

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Well, I seem to be missing some posts.  The category is reading as "new" and the time indicates that I am not the only poster today, but I don't see any other posts. Is the problem on my end?

[CowbellGuy]

No, there was a post that was removed by the author, so I deleted it. The last post time is unaltered though.

[Greg Berge]

Any updated info on Underhill?

[Jordan 04]

The Sun today again referred to him taking a shot (off the leg, they said) during warmups.

But I think it's clear that if you saw Underhill on Friday night, that they're trying to hide something with his back.  And that's probably why that post was deleted.

BTW, that brings up an interesting issue.  If Schafer wants it out there that he just had a banged up leg, should this forum be used to state otherwise?

Also of note is how: ""He (Fulton) said it didn't make it over the line,'' said RPI co-captain Matt Murley, who found a silver lining in defeat. "Now Cornell knows we're gonna be able to beat them when we meet them in Lake Placid'' gets printed in the Albany Times-Union

while: "Cornell knows we are a better team," Murley said after the loss, "and we are going to beat them in Lake Placid" is the quote in the Daily Sun.

[Beeeej]

First SLU, now RPI.  What is it with teams who finished a dozen points below us in the standings insisting that our guys know that those are better teams?!

Beeeej

[jeh25]

Jordan wrote:

BTW, that brings up an interesting issue.  If Schafer wants it out there that he just had a banged up leg, should this forum be used to state otherwise?

Probably not.

Maybe you should consider revising your post.

Any (mis-) information, rumors or speculation about any unconfirmed injuries serve only to violate Matt's privacy, hurt the team, and possibly even hurt Matt's post collegiate career options. I would suggest we respect Matt and Mike's decision to keep whatever may be the situation private.

[ugarte]

John E Hayes '98 '00 wrote:

Any (mis-) information, rumors or speculation about any unconfirmed injuries serve only to violate Matt's privacy, hurt the team, and possibly even hurt Matt's post collegiate career options. I would suggest we respect Matt and Mike's decision to keep whatever may be the situation private.

Get outta town, John.  I won't pretend that rumor-mongering is a good thing, but I don't think that we are revealing state secrets here.  And even though I wish Matt Underhill the best in his post-Cornell career, is it your point that if he is injured he should be able to tell pro teams that he isn't?  That a pro scout will say "Well, his physical says he is in good health and he is a hell of a goalie - but an anonymous poster on a Cornell-hockey-junkie website indicated that he has a back problem. We'd better pass." Your post is a bit of a mystery to me.

And I can't imagine a scenario in which our idle speculation can hurt the team.  Any opponent looking for clues to Cornell weaknesses here is already in dire straits, and any opponent that would trust our speculation on the alleged injuries in the face of contrary information from the team is clearly in an even worse position.  We want to know because we care - both about Undy and the success of the team.  If anyone has information, they shouldn't be shy about sharing it.

[jeh25]

At what point does our right to know exceed Matt's right to privacy? I guess I understated this point in my initial post.

If Matt or Mike choose to make public statements about his condition, then discussions are fair game, but until then I think unfounded speculation does no one any good. That was my point; I'm sorry if I came off in some sort of x-files, aluminum foil deflector beanie kind of way. No, I don't seriously think that Tim Taylor reads our forum, nor do I think that NHL scouts care what we think.  

But I do think the (very tiny) potential for harm caused by speculation and/or partial information outweighs any positive probative value any such information would have for a bunch of obsessed Cornell hockey junkies.  Given a tossup between personal privacy and the public's right to know, I think privacy is more important.

Of course, this is just one man's opinion and I could be wrong...

[RichS]

I wouldn't make too much of it.  I think it' just the other team's guys trying to pump up their teammates for their next meeting with cornell.  Hey, if it helps their confidence, good for them, and if it truly becomes bulletin board fodder for cornell, well, that's the chance the guy takes.

I've read a lot of this type of comments in previous years when Clarkson was leading in the RS...no one makes much of it.

I doubt the cornell players are worried about what they say.

[Greg Berge]

Who knew we had such influence?  Gee, I figured we were just a bunch of fans with nothing else to do.  But it turns out we have an extremely important role to play.  ::rolleyes::

Get over yourself and enjoy the damn games.  Sheesh.

[Keith K]

This is a discussion forum.  Underhill got hurt on Friday.  Various people may have seen what happened and it seems to me that there's nothing wrong with us discussing what we think may have happened or what the injury mey be.  That's what fans do.

As far as privacy is concerned, Schafer and/or Underhill have decided not to disclose details of the injury with the public.  That's their right, whether it be for reasons of privacy, strategy, whatever.  But we can still discuss it.  Now, if I had just spoken to Matt and he'd told me his condition but asked me to keep it quiet then I would be violating his privacy by blabbing on this forum (in an ethical sense at least).  But aside from that I figure it's fair ground to discuss (and I have never spoken to him).

It might be a different thing if Underhill had been suspended for off-ice issues and we were speculating about why and/or passing rumors around.  But the current situation is about an injury that happened on the ice in warmups in front of the crowd.

On a different note (though related to screcy I guess), would Yale's preparation vary significantly depending on whether they thought Underhill or LeNeveu would be playing?

[Jordan 04]

On a different note (though related to screcy I guess), would Yale's preparation vary significantly depending on whether they thought Underhill or LeNeveu would be playing?

I wouldn't image a "significant" difference, but obviously, 2 goalies to prepare for is still more than 1.