Let's go see Sam in Atlantic City

[DeltaOne81]

What's wrong with the 20th? It's after Cornell finals end (the 19th), and it's a Saturday, which is possibly easier for people. It should be early enough before Christmas to not directly interfere, and there's no Cornell hockey. And if your finals are started by the 12th Beeeej, I hope you're done by the 20th. If not...

There's also Jan 4th, at Sunday... with the game at 2 pm. It's the end of the Christmas/New Year's holiday week, so people should be back from vacation, but well rested (well, depending on your vacation plans ;-) ). Also no Cornell hockey conflict.

The 20th is against the Reading Royals, and the 4th is against the Johnstown Chiefs (maybe the Hanson bros'll be there :-D ).

[ugarte]

If Sam keeps this up, the date we choose will be moot. He will be in the AHL by December.

[ursusminor]

I am Jewish and have spent many December 25ths in Atlantic City.  A lot of Jewish and Oriental groups go there that day.

[judy]

No definite answer for me but it does sound interesting. My dad will either be with me at the game or I can leave him at the babysitter's - i.e. casinos.

[Will]

ursaminor wrote:

I am Jewish and have spent many December 25ths in Atlantic City. A lot of Jewish and Oriental groups go there that day.

You should see the line of buses shipping out of Chinatown in Manhattan on Christmas.  It's ridiculous.

By the way, not to be a nitpicky ultra-PC person here or anything, but the more accurate, less offensive term to use is "Asian" or "East Asian".

[Beeeej]

DeltaOne81 '03 wrote:
What's wrong with the 20th? It's after Cornell finals end (the 19th), and it's a Saturday, which is possibly easier for people. It should be early enough before Christmas to not directly interfere, and there's no Cornell hockey. And if your finals are started by the 12th Beeeej, I hope you're done by the 20th. If not...

There's also Jan 4th, at Sunday... with the game at 2 pm. It's the end of the Christmas/New Year's holiday week, so people should be back from vacation, but well rested (well, depending on your vacation plans ;-) ). Also no Cornell hockey conflict.

The 20th is against the Reading Royals, and the 4th is against the Johnstown Chiefs (maybe the Hanson bros'll be there :-D ).

I have nothing against Jan. 4th, though I suspect it might be tougher for people to attend a Sunday game if they're roadtripping from elsewhere and have to be at work on Monday morning.

The 20th, on the other hand, is the day after my last final exam.  I expect to be hungover and/or asleep.

So far, I've got a tally of 10 for Dec. 26th, and 3 for Dec. 12th (both including me and my girlfriend).  Anybody who prefers Jan. 4th, lemme know.  Anybody who prefers the 20th, feel free to organize a separate group.::yark::

Beeeej

[ursusminor]

One of the guys who got revenge on Volonnino wrote:
By the way, not to be a nitpicky ultra-PC person here or anything, but the more accurate, less offensive term to use is "Asian" or "East Asian".

I did consider being PC and was going to write Asian American, but then I decided that because Israel is in Asia (except for in Soccer), Jews also could be called Asian Americans. I hadn't realized that Oriental was considered offensive and I apologize. I guess that in connection with Atlantic City, Oriental Avenue, at least in Monopoly, is a low-rent district and thus may be considered offensive. ::rolleyes::

[Will]

ursaminor wrote:

One of the guys who got revenge on Volonnino wrote:
By the way, not to be a nitpicky ultra-PC person here or anything, but the more accurate, less offensive term to use is "Asian" or "East Asian".

I did consider being PC and was going to write Asian American, but then I decided that because Israel is in Asia (except for in Soccer), Jews also could be called Asian Americans. I hadn't realized that Oriental was considered offensive and I apologize. I guess that in connection with Atlantic City, Oriental Avenue, at least in Monopoly, is a low-rent district and thus may be considered offensive. ::rolleyes::

Eh, whatever.  Honestly, I really don't care.  My dad still uses the word "Oriental" to describe people of East Asian ancestry, and my mother is Chinese and of course I am half-Chinese.  We don't really mind (at least, I don't think my mother does), but others might be offended.  "Oriental" is a term better used to describe a certain type of rug and, yes, as you said, a street in Monopoly/Atlantic City.

[Keith K \'93]

If anyone can explain to me why "Oriental" is considered offensive I'd be curious to know.  Offline if you'd like.  Is there a particular connotation or alternate meaning or is this just a case of accepted labels changing over time.

[judy]

I'll venture with:
a case of accepted labels changing over time.

i'll vote for "asian". "Oriental" seems to bring up the old bad stereotypes of long ago...

[DeltaOne81]

Judy's pretty much right on... here's what dictionary.com says, for what that's worth..

[Q]Usage Note: Asian is now strongly preferred in place of Oriental for persons native to Asia or descended from an Asian people. The usual objection to Orientalmeaning "eastern"is that it identifies Asian countries and peoples in terms of their location relative to Europe. However, this objection is not generally made of other Eurocentric terms such as Near and Middle Eastern. The real problem with Oriental is more likely its connotations stemming from an earlier era when Europeans viewed the regions east of the Mediterranean as exotic lands full of romance and intrigue, the home of despotic empires and inscrutable customs. At the least these associations can give Oriental a dated feel, and as a noun in contemporary contexts (as in the first Oriental to be elected from the district) it is now widely taken to be offensive. However, Oriental should not be thought of as an ethnic slur to be avoided in all situations. As with Asiatic, its use other than as an ethnonym, in phrases such as Oriental cuisine or Oriental medicine, is not usually considered objectionable.[/Q]

Important to note is that it's not a horrible ethnic slur, just kinda has a negative connotation.

[Erica]

Reminds of a friend in high school. She is Korean, and when somebody once referred to her as "Oriental," her response was, "Furniture is Oriental, people are Asian." I will always remember that, and have never called a person Oriental again. Of course, I call people from India, the Middle East, Singapore and Indonesia Asians, too.

[jeh25]

Keith K '93 wrote:

If anyone can explain to me why "Oriental" is considered offensive I'd be curious to know.  Offline if you'd like.  Is there a particular connotation or alternate meaning or is this just a case of accepted labels changing over time.

AFAIK, it isn't so much offensive as incorrect. The orient is Turkey and that neck of the woods, not East Asia.  Think Orient Express.... it ran from Paris to Istanbul.

[Keith K \'93]

Well thanks.  I've just been wondering about that and appreciate the answers, esp. the dictionary.com reference.  Makes sense then.

[jtwcornell91]

DeltaOne81 '03 wrote:

Judy's pretty much right on... here's what dictionary.com says, for what that's worth..

[Q]Usage Note: Asian is now strongly preferred in place of Oriental for persons native to Asia or descended from an Asian people. The usual objection to Orientalmeaning "eastern"is that it identifies Asian countries and peoples in terms of their location relative to Europe. However, this objection is not generally made of other Eurocentric terms such as Near and Middle Eastern. The real problem with Oriental is more likely its connotations stemming from an earlier era when Europeans viewed the regions east of the Mediterranean as exotic lands full of romance and intrigue, the home of despotic empires and inscrutable customs. At the least these associations can give Oriental a dated feel, and as a noun in contemporary contexts (as in the first Oriental to be elected from the district) it is now widely taken to be offensive. However, Oriental should not be thought of as an ethnic slur to be avoided in all situations. As with Asiatic, its use other than as an ethnonym, in phrases such as Oriental cuisine or Oriental medicine, is not usually considered objectionable.[/Q]

Important to note is that it's not a horrible ethnic slur, just kinda has a negative connotation.

I was surprised to learn recently that "Oriental Music" meant middle-Eastern, not far-Eastern.

In grad school, I had a housemate with a girlfriend of Filipino descent.  She objected to "Asian", "exotic" and "chick".  So of course, we tried to use all three of them in the same sentence. :-P (Not that I recommend doing this to anyone you're not good friends with.)