Lynah Attendance

[marty]

It would be helpful to know, of the ~4,300 seats at Lynah:
How many are townies
How many are students
Of these townie/student subgroups, how many are season ticket holders

Pretty sure A through E are student only sections, and sell student only season tickets at the beginning of the year. I believe ABC are assigned seats, DEF are general admission?

I know students who like to catch games from O (seriously?), I know of many others who buy tickets in FGHJ and just clamber over to C.

As per the bigredtix site, B and C are entirely sold out. I truly doubt that's the case for C, or, if so, a bunch of STMs are not showing up. Either is likely tbh.

So my guess is probably like...
2500 townies
1800 students
Probably like 800 student STM? Mostly in B and some spots in A and C. Idk if anyone is buying season tickets for E.
Townies probably more around 1500 or so. Feels like there are a LOT of townie STMs.

I am surprised that over 40 % of the Cornell attendance is townies as this does not appear to me to be reflected in the postings here at eLynah. RPI threads on USCHO have a much larger percentage of townie posts, not that I know how it compares with the HFH attendance percentage.

Eyeballing the Houston crowd this year makes me think the townie are the majority.

[ursusminor]

It would be helpful to know, of the ~4,300 seats at Lynah:
How many are townies
How many are students
Of these townie/student subgroups, how many are season ticket holders

I suspected that, but since I have not attended myself since shortly before COVID started, I was not certain.

Pretty sure A through E are student only sections, and sell student only season tickets at the beginning of the year. I believe ABC are assigned seats, DEF are general admission?

I know students who like to catch games from O (seriously?), I know of many others who buy tickets in FGHJ and just clamber over to C.

As per the bigredtix site, B and C are entirely sold out. I truly doubt that's the case for C, or, if so, a bunch of STMs are not showing up. Either is likely tbh.

So my guess is probably like...
2500 townies
1800 students
Probably like 800 student STM? Mostly in B and some spots in A and C. Idk if anyone is buying season tickets for E.
Townies probably more around 1500 or so. Feels like there are a LOT of townie STMs.

I am surprised that over 40 % of the Cornell attendance is townies as this does not appear to me to be reflected in the postings here at eLynah. RPI threads on USCHO have a much larger percentage of townie posts, not that I know how it compares with the HFH attendance percentage.

Eyeballing the Houston crowd this year makes me think the townie are the majority.

It would be helpful to know, of the ~4,300 seats at Lynah:
How many are townies
How many are students
Of these townie/student subgroups, how many are season ticket holders

Pretty sure A through E are student only sections, and sell student only season tickets at the beginning of the year. I believe ABC are assigned seats, DEF are general admission?

I know students who like to catch games from O (seriously?), I know of many others who buy tickets in FGHJ and just clamber over to C.

As per the bigredtix site, B and C are entirely sold out. I truly doubt that's the case for C, or, if so, a bunch of STMs are not showing up. Either is likely tbh.

So my guess is probably like...
2500 townies
1800 students
Probably like 800 student STM? Mostly in B and some spots in A and C. Idk if anyone is buying season tickets for E.
Townies probably more around 1500 or so. Feels like there are a LOT of townie STMs.

I am surprised that over 40 % of the Cornell attendance is townies as this does not appear to me to be reflected in the postings here at eLynah. RPI threads on USCHO have a much larger percentage of townie posts, not that I know how it compares with the HFH attendance percentage.

Eyeballing the Houston crowd this year makes me think the townie are the majority.

I suspected that, but since I have not attended myself since shortly before COVID started, I was not certain.

[abmarks]

The appearance of scarcity is enough to create scarcity.   

The only way to forever boost up student ticket buys is to bring back the line and the outdoor campout. Everyone on campus would hear that it's almost time for that annual ritual. And it's safe to assume that anyone new to campus who heard students were camping out overnight for tickets to something would ask what was going on.

If people are willing to camp out in line for tickets, they must be something really worthwhile right?

I arrived in fall of 1985, and though the procedure changed several times during my years on campus, the student tickets generally sold out from the line.  If you thought you might even want tickets at all you really needed to get in line for fear of being locked out. It's a self perpetuating cycle.

Realistically, I don't think there's a snowballs chance of that tradition coming back.

But I'll ask this:  If Duke banned the season ticket campout for hoops and switched to some form of electronic lottery or something like that, don't you think that 10 years down the line there would be a significant reduction in "on campus craziness"?

[RichH]

The appearance of scarcity is enough to create scarcity.   

The only way to forever boost up student ticket buys is to bring back the line and the outdoor campout. Everyone on campus would hear that it's almost time for that annual ritual. And it's safe to assume that anyone new to campus who heard students were camping out overnight for tickets to something would ask what was going on.

If people are willing to camp out in line for tickets, they must be something really worthwhile right?

I arrived in fall of 1985, and though the procedure changed several times during my years on campus, the student tickets generally sold out from the line.  If you thought you might even want tickets at all you really needed to get in line for fear of being locked out. It's a self perpetuating cycle.

Realistically, I don't think there's a snowballs chance of that tradition coming back.

But I'll ask this:  If Duke banned the season ticket campout for hoops and switched to some form of electronic lottery or something like that, don't you think that 10 years down the line there would be a significant reduction in "on campus craziness"?

Hot Truck started taking phone orders and was gone within two years.

Rituals matter.

[abmarks]

The appearance of scarcity is enough to create scarcity.   

The only way to forever boost up student ticket buys is to bring back the line and the outdoor campout. Everyone on campus would hear that it's almost time for that annual ritual. And it's safe to assume that anyone new to campus who heard students were camping out overnight for tickets to something would ask what was going on.

If people are willing to camp out in line for tickets, they must be something really worthwhile right?

I arrived in fall of 1985, and though the procedure changed several times during my years on campus, the student tickets generally sold out from the line.  If you thought you might even want tickets at all you really needed to get in line for fear of being locked out. It's a self perpetuating cycle.

Realistically, I don't think there's a snowballs chance of that tradition coming back.

But I'll ask this:  If Duke banned the season ticket campout for hoops and switched to some form of electronic lottery or something like that, don't you think that 10 years down the line there would be a significant reduction in "on campus craziness"?

Hot Truck started taking phone orders and was gone within two years.

Rituals matter.

Agreed. But it's not just the ritual.  It's the effort required.

[Will]

Hot Truck started taking phone orders and was gone within two years.

Rituals matter.

More like 15 years (after 40+ years without a phone), but nonetheless I agree with your point.

[stereax]

Random thought I just had: being a couple seats under capacity for the men's games is a heck of a lot better than the attendance the women get.

Just looking at the official numbers, and I can't find the last women's game to have attendance over 1000.

Probably last year.

[pjd8]

The appearance of scarcity is enough to create scarcity.   

The only way to forever boost up student ticket buys is to bring back the line and the outdoor campout. Everyone on campus would hear that it's almost time for that annual ritual. And it's safe to assume that anyone new to campus who heard students were camping out overnight for tickets to something would ask what was going on.

If people are willing to camp out in line for tickets, they must be something really worthwhile right?

I arrived in fall of 1985, and though the procedure changed several times during my years on campus, the student tickets generally sold out from the line.  If you thought you might even want tickets at all you really needed to get in line for fear of being locked out. It's a self perpetuating cycle.

Realistically, I don't think there's a snowballs chance of that tradition coming back.

But I'll ask this:  If Duke banned the season ticket campout for hoops and switched to some form of electronic lottery or something like that, don't you think that 10 years down the line there would be a significant reduction in "on campus craziness"?

Hot Truck started taking phone orders and was gone within two years.

Rituals matter.

Agreed. But it's not just the ritual.  It's the effort required.

That's the psychology behind fraternity pledging. It works.

[Pghas]

Our band is great at what they do.  You gotta set the tone and coming into the building with the band playing is thrilling.  Davey after a goal is joyous.  The Dragnet theme for an opp penalty is essentially another crowd cheer.

I love the band, but they are an igniter.  The real fuel is the crowd itself.  That is where the fire either starts or doesn't.  We've all been to enough games that we can feel the difference, and generations of players have said they can too.  When that fire is truly burning, it helps the team.  When the team is playing well it builds the fire.  It is a wonderful symbiosis.

There is a reason every opponent loves to come into Lynah, and why generations of star opposing athletes have said they felt most spectacular when competing against the Lynah crowd because to be the best you have to beat the best.

Coming into the building only a few times a decade, now, it still always feels like going to my church with my congregation.  Lynah is sacred and hellfire consume anyone who harms it either through deliberate action or ineptitude.

My 18 yo son always wanted to go to Cornell but he wanted to do it as a hockey player.  That's not happening - though he applied early from prep school and got in so is Class of 2030 - but 2 summers ago we were at Ryan Vesce's college showcase in Florida which is one of the top recruiting showcases.  So my kid pops one in and there's a band there and they start playing Davey.  And so later I run into them and it turns out Ryan actually has members of the Cornell band come down for this every summer.  I mean, cooler than cool.

I did of course skip chanting it's all your fault at the goalie.

[Pghas]

The appearance of scarcity is enough to create scarcity.   

The only way to forever boost up student ticket buys is to bring back the line and the outdoor campout. Everyone on campus would hear that it's almost time for that annual ritual. And it's safe to assume that anyone new to campus who heard students were camping out overnight for tickets to something would ask what was going on.

If people are willing to camp out in line for tickets, they must be something really worthwhile right?

I arrived in fall of 1985, and though the procedure changed several times during my years on campus, the student tickets generally sold out from the line.  If you thought you might even want tickets at all you really needed to get in line for fear of being locked out. It's a self perpetuating cycle.

Realistically, I don't think there's a snowballs chance of that tradition coming back.

But I'll ask this:  If Duke banned the season ticket campout for hoops and switched to some form of electronic lottery or something like that, don't you think that 10 years down the line there would be a significant reduction in "on campus craziness"?

Hot Truck started taking phone orders and was gone within two years.

Rituals matter.

I agree, but hot truck sold out to Shortstop Deli.  I'm not sure it was out of desperation.  But I could be wrong. But I can zip over to SS in a Sunday afternoon and woof down a little Sicilian

[RichH]

Hot Truck started taking phone orders and was gone within two years.

Rituals matter.

More like 15 years (after 40+ years without a phone), but nonetheless I agree with your point.

Thanks for the correction, Will! Time has no meaning.

And yes, the point is that sacrifice and a certain amount of suffering are important to institutions like 2am Hot Truck and Lynah season tickets. Even the band once had a priority point system to determine who could get in the hockey band. Those who would commit to play for lightweight football and women's volleyball would have a better shot at getting one of the band hockey tickets.

[Jim Hyla]

The appearance of scarcity is enough to create scarcity.   

The only way to forever boost up student ticket buys is to bring back the line and the outdoor campout. Everyone on campus would hear that it's almost time for that annual ritual. And it's safe to assume that anyone new to campus who heard students were camping out overnight for tickets to something would ask what was going on.

If people are willing to camp out in line for tickets, they must be something really worthwhile right?

I arrived in fall of 1985, and though the procedure changed several times during my years on campus, the student tickets generally sold out from the line.  If you thought you might even want tickets at all you really needed to get in line for fear of being locked out. It's a self perpetuating cycle.

Realistically, I don't think there's a snowballs chance of that tradition coming back.

But I'll ask this:  If Duke banned the season ticket campout for hoops and switched to some form of electronic lottery or something like that, don't you think that 10 years down the line there would be a significant reduction in "on campus craziness"?

Hot Truck started taking phone orders and was gone within two years.

Rituals matter.

Agreed. But it's not just the ritual.  It's the effort required.

That's the psychology behind fraternity pledging. It works.

Maybe for some.

[chimpfood]

Colgate game is sold out. The kids love throwing shit, that's for sure.

[Jim Hyla]

Colgate game is sold out. The kids love throwing shit, that's for sure.

First I thought you were talking about the next game, @ Colgate and I thought "You got to be kidding."

Then realized you meant @ Lynah.

Maybe all that has been said about attendance may come down to:

JUST WIN!

And I guess that means again lugging in 2 tote bags of papers.

This may be the season where accumulating Syracuse Post-Standard, Ithaca Journal, New York Times and whatever else I can grab for a year, may not be enough.

So try bringing some of your own and grab some extra Sun's and IJ's if you can.

[stereax]

So try bringing some of your own and grab some extra Sun's and IJ's if you can.

Copy that. I'm usually at trivia on Thursday nights at Ithaca Bakery, so I think I can nick a good stack from there, plus the law school tends to have a bunch of Suns floating around that nobody uses...