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Started by Chris '03, September 29, 2025, 03:50:03 PM

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Chris '03

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BearLover

Any idea how "Quality win base" and "quality win multiplier" work exactly? I know the general concept behind quality wins, but not sure what these numbers mean.

Overtime 3x3 down to 60/40 sounds fairer than the 65/35 we the had last few years, I like it.

The fact the home/away weighting goes away in the postseason benefits teams like us that get home playoff games. But I guess not really since most teams competing for a at-large will have home playoff games. (Actually, doesn't this now hurt good teams that have playoff games at neutral sites? So the new rule most helps teams like Minn State that get home ice and play their entire tournament in conference rinks.) Still not sure where the 1.2/.8 weighting in the regular season comes from; is there any scientific basis for those numbers?

Removing the .500 threshold is weird. Has that ever even been relevant?

adamw

Quote from: BearLover on September 29, 2025, 04:46:58 PMAny idea how "Quality win base" and "quality win multiplier" work exactly? I know the general concept behind quality wins, but not sure what these numbers mean.

Overtime 3x3 down to 60/40 sounds fairer than the 65/35 we the had last few years, I like it.

The fact the home/away weighting goes away in the postseason benefits teams like us that get home playoff games. But I guess not really since most teams competing for a at-large will have home playoff games. (Actually, doesn't this now hurt good teams that have playoff games at neutral sites? So the new rule most helps teams like Minn State that get home ice and play their entire tournament in conference rinks.) Still not sure where the 1.2/.8 weighting in the regular season comes from; is there any scientific basis for those numbers?

Removing the .500 threshold is weird. Has that ever even been relevant?

The QWB base and multiplier is not a whole lot different than it was for RPI. Instead of starting with wins against teams in the top 20 of RPI, it will start with wins against teams with a 51.0 NPI - and the multiplier just means the sliding scale.

1.2/0.8 is not all that scientific.  Making it 1/1 in the postseason is mainly meant to help a team that loses like a 2 out 3 series at home from being over-penalized for having earned home ice for that series.
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Will

Quote from: BearLover on September 29, 2025, 04:46:58 PMRemoving the .500 threshold is weird. Has that ever even been relevant?

As I recall, there was one season when Wisconsin made it into the NCAAs as an at-large with a sub-.500 record, to the complaint of many.  I want to say it was 2007-2008 (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/schedules/team/Wisconsin/58/20072008) but I'm not 100% certain.  I think the win percentage rule came about as a result of that originally.
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The Rancor

Quote from: Will on September 30, 2025, 09:10:22 AM
Quote from: BearLover on September 29, 2025, 04:46:58 PMRemoving the .500 threshold is weird. Has that ever even been relevant?

As I recall, there was one season when Wisconsin made it into the NCAAs as an at-large with a sub-.500 record, to the complaint of many.  I want to say it was 2007-2008 (https://www.collegehockeynews.com/schedules/team/Wisconsin/58/20072008) but I'm not 100% certain.  I think the win percentage rule came about as a result of that originally.
 


It strikes me as strange, too. I suppose an exception could be made if somehow the math for their SOS and QL maths- but it seems unlikely. If 30-2-2 University of Forgotten Prophets doesn't get in because Big Money State University is 11-23-4 with a million dollar NIL investment, and likely playing in a stronger conference, it's going to be just as bullshit as football.

BearLover

Quote from: adamw on September 30, 2025, 01:41:50 AM
Quote from: BearLover on September 29, 2025, 04:46:58 PMAny idea how "Quality win base" and "quality win multiplier" work exactly? I know the general concept behind quality wins, but not sure what these numbers mean.

Overtime 3x3 down to 60/40 sounds fairer than the 65/35 we the had last few years, I like it.

The fact the home/away weighting goes away in the postseason benefits teams like us that get home playoff games. But I guess not really since most teams competing for a at-large will have home playoff games. (Actually, doesn't this now hurt good teams that have playoff games at neutral sites? So the new rule most helps teams like Minn State that get home ice and play their entire tournament in conference rinks.) Still not sure where the 1.2/.8 weighting in the regular season comes from; is there any scientific basis for those numbers?

Removing the .500 threshold is weird. Has that ever even been relevant?

The QWB base and multiplier is not a whole lot different than it was for RPI. Instead of starting with wins against teams in the top 20 of RPI, it will start with wins against teams with a 51.0 NPI - and the multiplier just means the sliding scale.
So let's say Cornell defeats the #1, #10, and #40 team in the NPI. How much of a bonus do we get for each win?

adamw

Quote from: BearLover on September 30, 2025, 03:47:26 PM
Quote from: adamw on September 30, 2025, 01:41:50 AM
Quote from: BearLover on September 29, 2025, 04:46:58 PMAny idea how "Quality win base" and "quality win multiplier" work exactly? I know the general concept behind quality wins, but not sure what these numbers mean.

Overtime 3x3 down to 60/40 sounds fairer than the 65/35 we the had last few years, I like it.

The fact the home/away weighting goes away in the postseason benefits teams like us that get home playoff games. But I guess not really since most teams competing for a at-large will have home playoff games. (Actually, doesn't this now hurt good teams that have playoff games at neutral sites? So the new rule most helps teams like Minn State that get home ice and play their entire tournament in conference rinks.) Still not sure where the 1.2/.8 weighting in the regular season comes from; is there any scientific basis for those numbers?

Removing the .500 threshold is weird. Has that ever even been relevant?

The QWB base and multiplier is not a whole lot different than it was for RPI. Instead of starting with wins against teams in the top 20 of RPI, it will start with wins against teams with a 51.0 NPI - and the multiplier just means the sliding scale.
So let's say Cornell defeats the #1, #10, and #40 team in the NPI. How much of a bonus do we get for each win?

there's no way to know from that info...

($oppNPI - $base) * $magnitude
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