Opponent and other news and results 2025-2026

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Weder

Quote from: stereax on February 12, 2026, 09:35:02 AM
Quote from: Trotsky on February 12, 2026, 01:25:41 AMFrom that link:

Athletic Department Annual Expenses

              FY 2024       FY 2023        FY 2022        2-year % Increase                
Yale          77,124,108    72,430,360     66,265,805     16%
Penn          56,137,691    46,277,380     44,747,142     25%
Princeton     47,797,015    44,300,839     37,118,165     29%
Harvard       43,636,552    39,568,660     32,850,494     33%
Brown         42,236,049    36,265,052     29,892,746     41%
Cornell       40,756,322    36,227,301     36,812,888     11%
Dartmouth     40,640,949    38,642,041     35,022,406     16%
Columbia      40,185,323    38,335,736     32,521,946     24%

The hell is Yale spending so much on?

This led me down a rabbit hole, and Yale managed to spend nearly $25,000 on a handful of sports in 1886. (Nearly $900,000 in 2025 money, according to one calculator.)
3/8/96

BearLover

On this week's CHN podcast, when talking about Ethan Wyttenbach, Quinnipiac freshman leading the country in scoring (and it's not even close), Adam Wodon mentioned that "all of his family played at Cornell." I don't know what this means exactly (parents? cousins?) and I can't find anything at all on the internet about this kid's family, but if true you have to wonder if the Cornell coaches totally missed him or if he was a horrible student. He's from Roslyn, Long Island, btw, a town that produces more Cornell kids per capita than maybe anywhere else on earth.

pfibiger

Quote from: BearLover on February 13, 2026, 07:00:14 AMOn this week's CHN podcast, when talking about Ethan Wyttenbach, Quinnipiac freshman leading the country in scoring (and it's not even close), Adam Wodon mentioned that "all of his family played at Cornell." I don't know what this means exactly (parents? cousins?) and I can't find anything at all on the internet about this kid's family, but if true you have to wonder if the Cornell coaches totally missed him or if he was a horrible student. He's from Roslyn, Long Island, btw, a town that produces more Cornell kids per capita than maybe anywhere else on earth.

Looks like Ethan's dad and two brothers all went to Cornell. I saw an article that talked about one of the brothers scoring for the JV squad:

https://www.nyshistoricnewspapers.org/?a=d&d=prre19921102-01.1.19&e=-------en-20--1--txt-txIN----------

It's a bummer to look back at stud legacies like Wyttenbach and Mark Jankowski and wish they'd come to Cornell, but for an upper middle class family that tuition/aid gap between Cornell and Q is no joke. Lot of reasons he might have made a different choice.
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BearLover

Quote from: pfibiger on February 13, 2026, 08:52:17 AM
Quote from: BearLover on February 13, 2026, 07:00:14 AMOn this week's CHN podcast, when talking about Ethan Wyttenbach, Quinnipiac freshman leading the country in scoring (and it's not even close), Adam Wodon mentioned that "all of his family played at Cornell." I don't know what this means exactly (parents? cousins?) and I can't find anything at all on the internet about this kid's family, but if true you have to wonder if the Cornell coaches totally missed him or if he was a horrible student. He's from Roslyn, Long Island, btw, a town that produces more Cornell kids per capita than maybe anywhere else on earth.

Looks like Ethan's dad and two brothers all went to Cornell. I saw an article that talked about one of the brothers scoring for the JV squad:

https://www.nyshistoricnewspapers.org/?a=d&d=prre19921102-01.1.19&e=-------en-20--1--txt-txIN----------

It's a bummer to look back at stud legacies like Wyttenbach and Mark Jankowski and wish they'd come to Cornell, but for an upper middle class family that tuition/aid gap between Cornell and Q is no joke. Lot of reasons he might have made a different choice.
Nice find, though considering his uncle appears to be a law firm partner and he's from Roslyn, I'm going to guess that finances weren't the deciding factor in his decision.

What did JV squad mean at that point (early 90s)? Freshmen were part of the varsity team by then; I didn't realize there was a varsity/junior varsity distinction? Did JV just mean club team?

BearLover

Also notably I don't see any Wyttenbachs listed on any Cornell roster in the 90s.

RichH

Quote from: pfibiger on February 13, 2026, 08:52:17 AM
Quote from: BearLover on February 13, 2026, 07:00:14 AMOn this week's CHN podcast, when talking about Ethan Wyttenbach, Quinnipiac freshman leading the country in scoring (and it's not even close), Adam Wodon mentioned that "all of his family played at Cornell." I don't know what this means exactly (parents? cousins?) and I can't find anything at all on the internet about this kid's family, but if true you have to wonder if the Cornell coaches totally missed him or if he was a horrible student. He's from Roslyn, Long Island, btw, a town that produces more Cornell kids per capita than maybe anywhere else on earth.

Looks like Ethan's dad and two brothers all went to Cornell. I saw an article that talked about one of the brothers scoring for the JV squad:

https://www.nyshistoricnewspapers.org/?a=d&d=prre19921102-01.1.19&e=-------en-20--1--txt-txIN----------

It's a bummer to look back at stud legacies like Wyttenbach and Mark Jankowski and wish they'd come to Cornell, but for an upper middle class family that tuition/aid gap between Cornell and Q is no joke. Lot of reasons he might have made a different choice.

I have a feeling that recruiting at Q is a little different than the Ivy experience. Maybe they have cheerleader-led recruiting visits that can have an impact.

JasonN95

Quote from: BearLover on February 13, 2026, 11:06:03 AMWhat did JV squad mean at that point (early 90s)? Freshmen were part of the varsity team by then; I didn't realize there was a varsity/junior varsity distinction? Did JV just mean club team?

Cornell had a men's JV team -I know as I had a brief stint with it as one its goalies for what was it's last half season. It was shut down midseason over winter break between fall '94 and spring '95. A couple of times a recuperating varsity player skated with us in practice; they made most of the JV guys look like they were stuck in quicksand.

stereax

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adamw

Quote from: BearLover on February 11, 2026, 10:38:07 PM
Quote from: adamw on February 11, 2026, 07:51:53 PMIt's true that without football, certain schools won't have as much revenue, so at the end of the day, football or no football, a school like Providence or Denver will have the same "hockey budget" as, say, Michigan. However, without the runaway costs of football, and need to feed that beast, it may make giving hockey teams a certain budget more palatable. I suspect Denver's "hockey budget" will be about $1 million in rev share at the end of the day. I may know more soon on that.
That would be a massive number for an athletic department that loses money on ~every sport and has to try to compete in basketball.

I know you like to keep doubting this, and apparently no amount of me trying to convince you will help - even though I talk to coaches and ADs regularly who all tell me the same thing. Mike McMahon discusses this as well in his latest column for us today

https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2026/02/13_This-Week-in-College-Hockey.php

Just about every school loses money on sports. It doesn't stop them from spending on it. I'm not sure why you think it's a factor that Denver "loses money on sports" ... overall, maybe they do - but it always has. It won't stop them. They'll just come up with the money in more creative ways. As will anyone else who wants to compete.

And yes McKenna is getting $700,000 -- however, it's not necessarily from the school. Much of that is NIL - though I don't know the breakdown. Also not sure if his recent issues will cause any problems there.

Players are regularly getting $50,000 left and right to transfer from smaller schools to bigger ones. Just for one example. This is the new reality. Doubting it or denying it is silly at this point.
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CU2007

Dartmouth tying bottom feeder Yale must have helped us out in the Ivy race

stereax

Quote from: CU2007 on February 13, 2026, 09:33:44 PMDartmouth tying bottom feeder Yale must have helped us out in the Ivy race
Harvard ties Brown too (though they lose in SO). Northeastern takes down Providence as well, which is good for the NPI chase.
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BearLover

#566
Quote from: adamw on February 13, 2026, 09:26:13 PM
Quote from: BearLover on February 11, 2026, 10:38:07 PM
Quote from: adamw on February 11, 2026, 07:51:53 PMIt's true that without football, certain schools won't have as much revenue, so at the end of the day, football or no football, a school like Providence or Denver will have the same "hockey budget" as, say, Michigan. However, without the runaway costs of football, and need to feed that beast, it may make giving hockey teams a certain budget more palatable. I suspect Denver's "hockey budget" will be about $1 million in rev share at the end of the day. I may know more soon on that.
That would be a massive number for an athletic department that loses money on ~every sport and has to try to compete in basketball.

I know you like to keep doubting this, and apparently no amount of me trying to convince you will help - even though I talk to coaches and ADs regularly who all tell me the same thing. Mike McMahon discusses this as well in his latest column for us today

https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2026/02/13_This-Week-in-College-Hockey.php

Just about every school loses money on sports. It doesn't stop them from spending on it. I'm not sure why you think it's a factor that Denver "loses money on sports" ... overall, maybe they do - but it always has. It won't stop them. They'll just come up with the money in more creative ways. As will anyone else who wants to compete.

And yes McKenna is getting $700,000 -- however, it's not necessarily from the school. Much of that is NIL - though I don't know the breakdown. Also not sure if his recent issues will cause any problems there.

Players are regularly getting $50,000 left and right to transfer from smaller schools to bigger ones. Just for one example. This is the new reality. Doubting it or denying it is silly at this point.
You and McMahon say this all the time, yes, but neither of you have yet to provide a single specific example, with the exception of Mckenna getting $700K (which I've seen disputed, including by his own coach).

There's nothing about specific teams, or specific players. Nothing about how the money is getting paid, or how it's allocated amongst the roster. The reporting is totally vague and wishy-washy.

Quoting for example the link you posted, we can see just how unspecific any of this is:

"On the high end, some programs are already operating in the $700,000 range for combined revenue sharing and NIL."

So, $700K combined revenue share and NIL is the "high end" "range." How many programs is this? Which ones? Also, does that mean Penn State is giving $0 to everyone else on their team combined, given McMahon previously reported one guy is getting 700K?

"If you're competing in the NCHC, Big Ten, or Hockey East, you likely need to be closer to $250,000 just to stay competitive — and even that won't put you near the top of the spending curve."

So you "likely" need to spend "closer" to $250,000 "just to stay competitive." I have absolutely no idea what that even means. By the way, $250,000 is less than $10,000 per roster spot.

"Within five years, it wouldn't be surprising to see the top programs pushing toward $1 million annually."

So "within five years" (which is forever), it "wouldn't surprise" McMahon to see "top programs" "pushing toward" $1 million.

Man, I'm sorry, but none of this even means anything.

I appreciate McMahon's coverage but on this topic it's completely lacking in specificity. There's nothing to go off of. Be specific, cite sources (no, you don't have to reveal the specific source). Please stop with the conjecture. By the way, ask the Cornell coaches what they think the state of NIL is right now in college  hockey and you'll get a different answer.

BearLover

Not the worst night for the NPI given BC and Providence lost and Dartmouth tied Yale. Looking like 55.00 NPI is gonna be about the cutoff for an at-large bid.

stereax

Quote from: BearLover on February 13, 2026, 10:14:01 PMNot the worst night for the NPI given BC and Providence lost and Dartmouth tied Yale. Looking like 55.00 NPI is gonna be about the cutoff for an at-large bid.
Considering we dropped a fair bit, good that most of the others "in the thick of it" sputtered too. Not crisis mode, yet. But we really can't afford to lose/tie many more of these "easy" games.
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ugarte

wild night in the ECAC. If that Union team shows up again we better get our scoring skates on or we're going to need another night of a goalie standing on his head.