Cornell at Union 2/28

Started by Iceberg, February 28, 2025, 02:51:12 PM

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BearLover

Quote from: sah674-1 final. Union looked pretty beatable, but not by our team.
Well yeah, Union (now 30th in the PWR) is as mediocre as mediocre gets. So obviously they beat us 4-1 twice this season.

Dafatone

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Quote from: sah674-1 final. Union looked pretty beatable, but not by our team.
Well yeah, Union (now 30th in the PWR) is as mediocre as mediocre gets. So obviously they beat us 4-1 twice this season.

We're 12-9-6 and tied for 21st in PWR. Union is 18-11-3 and 34th. Their OOC schedule must be awful.

Scersk '97

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Quote from: Scersk '97Last years of great coaches are often disappointing. I leafed through the CHN almanac one day and saw some patterns.

Jeff Jackson this season at Notre Dame. Of course most of those other examples were not coming off a final eight season with virtually the entire team returning.  Shocking.

Pretty much the entire list of leaders by wins, including York, Parker, Berenson, Sauer, etc. Ron Mason is the only exception.
I would imagine almost all of their final years were under very different circumstances than Schafer's.

You don't read, do you? Great coaches, mediocre final seasons.

Iceberg

This game basically ended what optimism I had for the remainder of the season. I'll enjoy whatever good is left in the season but I'd be very surprised if this team is playing after next weekend.

BearLover

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Quote from: Scersk '97
Quote from: arugula
Quote from: Scersk '97Last years of great coaches are often disappointing. I leafed through the CHN almanac one day and saw some patterns.

Jeff Jackson this season at Notre Dame. Of course most of those other examples were not coming off a final eight season with virtually the entire team returning.  Shocking.

Pretty much the entire list of leaders by wins, including York, Parker, Berenson, Sauer, etc. Ron Mason is the only exception.
I would imagine almost all of their final years were under very different circumstances than Schafer's.

You don't read, do you? Great coaches, mediocre final seasons.
You don't use critical thinking, do you? Did those coaches have that mediocre final season following two great seasons and 6/7 years in the NCAA tournament at an Ivy League school, like Schafer did? Did they retire because they were pushed out, following a period of less success? Or did they, like Schafer, go out on their own terms? Like I said, very different circumstances. A 75-year-old retiring from BU or Michigan after a relative down period is not the same as a 62-year-old retiring from Cornell at the height of success.

Trotsky

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Quote from: Scersk '97
Quote from: arugula
Quote from: Scersk '97Last years of great coaches are often disappointing. I leafed through the CHN almanac one day and saw some patterns.

Jeff Jackson this season at Notre Dame. Of course most of those other examples were not coming off a final eight season with virtually the entire team returning.  Shocking.

Pretty much the entire list of leaders by wins, including York, Parker, Berenson, Sauer, etc. Ron Mason is the only exception.
I would imagine almost all of their final years were under very different circumstances than Schafer's.

You don't read, do you? Great coaches, mediocre final seasons.

I think Bear's point was you could be switching the causal arrow.

Scersk '97

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Quote from: Scersk '97
Quote from: BearLover
Quote from: Scersk '97
Quote from: arugula
Quote from: Scersk '97Last years of great coaches are often disappointing. I leafed through the CHN almanac one day and saw some patterns.

Jeff Jackson this season at Notre Dame. Of course most of those other examples were not coming off a final eight season with virtually the entire team returning.  Shocking.

Pretty much the entire list of leaders by wins, including York, Parker, Berenson, Sauer, etc. Ron Mason is the only exception.
I would imagine almost all of their final years were under very different circumstances than Schafer's.

You don't read, do you? Great coaches, mediocre final seasons.

I think Bear's point was you could be switching the causal arrow.

Pretty sure they all left on their own terms.

marty

Quote from: sah674-1 final. Union looked pretty beatable, but not by our team.

RPI lost to them in OT at The Mayor's Cup in Albany and could easily have won.
"When we came off, [Bitz] said, 'Thank God you scored that goal,'" Moulson said. "He would've killed me if I didn't."

pjd8

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Quote from: Scersk '97
Quote from: BearLover
Quote from: Scersk '97
Quote from: arugula
Quote from: Scersk '97Last years of great coaches are often disappointing. I leafed through the CHN almanac one day and saw some patterns.

Jeff Jackson this season at Notre Dame. Of course most of those other examples were not coming off a final eight season with virtually the entire team returning.  Shocking.

Pretty much the entire list of leaders by wins, including York, Parker, Berenson, Sauer, etc. Ron Mason is the only exception.
I would imagine almost all of their final years were under very different circumstances than Schafer's.

You don't read, do you? Great coaches, mediocre final seasons.

I think Bear's point was you could be switching the causal arrow.

Pretty sure they all left on their own terms.

I don't have direct knowledge of their leaving circumstances, but their records suggest they did indeed leave on their own terms. Sauer's sub-.500 years were not directly before his last season. Berenson and Parker had minor RS/CT/NCAA droughts toward the end, but not horrible results overall.

Jerry York, Last Season 15-18-5, Prior 10 seasons: 1 sub-.500 year
Jack Parker, Last Season 21-16-2, Prior 10 seasons: 1 sub-.500 year
Ron Mason, Last Season 27-9-5, Prior 10 seasons: 0 sub-.500 years
Red Berenson, Last Season 13-19-3, Prior 10 seasons: 1 sub-.500 year
Jeff Sauer, Last Season 16-19-4, Prior 10 seasons: 3 sub-.500 years
Mike Schafer, YTD 12-10-6, Prior 10 seasons: 1 sub-.500 year

I think there's a real chance that when a coaching retirement is announced it can drain the focus/energy of a team. That would certainly be consistent with Cornell's performance this year. Combine high pressure to have a great season with a slew of injuries early on, and it's easy to see how frustration mounts quickly.

What I loved most about Schafe's senior year was the fire the team had. It won them games that they shouldn't have. I haven't seen that fire this season, and the result has been just the opposite.

chimpfood

I wonder who we'll see in goal tomorrow. It could be that they go with the goalie that they will ride through the playoffs to get him hot (most likely Shane) or they could rest the goalie that they are gonna ride during the playoffs which would mean more likely keopple would go tomorrow. Of course they could also have given up on Shane after tonight and be going with keopple in the playoffs but that would be very surprising to me given how patient they have been with Shane this season.

arugula

Quote from: pjd8
Quote from: Scersk '97
Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: Scersk '97
Quote from: BearLover
Quote from: Scersk '97
Quote from: arugula
Quote from: Scersk '97Last years of great coaches are often disappointing. I leafed through the CHN almanac one day and saw some patterns.

Jeff Jackson this season at Notre Dame. Of course most of those other examples were not coming off a final eight season with virtually the entire team returning.  Shocking.

Pretty much the entire list of leaders by wins, including York, Parker, Berenson, Sauer, etc. Ron Mason is the only exception.
I would imagine almost all of their final years were under very different circumstances than Schafer's.

You don't read, do you? Great coaches, mediocre final seasons.

I think Bear's point was you could be switching the causal arrow.

Pretty sure they all left on their own terms.

I don't have direct knowledge of their leaving circumstances, but their records suggest they did indeed leave on their own terms. Sauer's sub-.500 years were not directly before his last season. Berenson and Parker had minor RS/CT/NCAA droughts toward the end, but not horrible results overall.

Jerry York, Last Season 15-18-5, Prior 10 seasons: 1 sub-.500 year
Jack Parker, Last Season 21-16-2, Prior 10 seasons: 1 sub-.500 year
Ron Mason, Last Season 27-9-5, Prior 10 seasons: 0 sub-.500 years
Red Berenson, Last Season 13-19-3, Prior 10 seasons: 1 sub-.500 year
Jeff Sauer, Last Season 16-19-4, Prior 10 seasons: 3 sub-.500 years
Mike Schafer, YTD 12-10-6, Prior 10 seasons: 1 sub-.500 year

I think there's a real chance that when a coaching retirement is announced it can drain the focus/energy of a team. That would certainly be consistent with Cornell's performance this year. Combine high pressure to have a great season with a slew of injuries early on, and it's easy to see how frustration mounts quickly.

What I loved most about Schafe's senior year was the fire the team had. It won them games that they shouldn't have. I haven't seen that fire this season, and the result has been just the opposite.


Must be killing him. Outwardly very positive but I can't imagine he's being patient with the team.

Trotsky

Quote from: pjd8
Quote from: Scersk '97
Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: Scersk '97
Quote from: BearLover
Quote from: Scersk '97
Quote from: arugula
Quote from: Scersk '97Last years of great coaches are often disappointing. I leafed through the CHN almanac one day and saw some patterns.

Jeff Jackson this season at Notre Dame. Of course most of those other examples were not coming off a final eight season with virtually the entire team returning.  Shocking.

Pretty much the entire list of leaders by wins, including York, Parker, Berenson, Sauer, etc. Ron Mason is the only exception.
I would imagine almost all of their final years were under very different circumstances than Schafer's.

You don't read, do you? Great coaches, mediocre final seasons.

I think Bear's point was you could be switching the causal arrow.

Pretty sure they all left on their own terms.

I don't have direct knowledge of their leaving circumstances, but their records suggest they did indeed leave on their own terms. Sauer's sub-.500 years were not directly before his last season. Berenson and Parker had minor RS/CT/NCAA droughts toward the end, but not horrible results overall.

Jerry York, Last Season 15-18-5, Prior 10 seasons: 1 sub-.500 year
Jack Parker, Last Season 21-16-2, Prior 10 seasons: 1 sub-.500 year
Ron Mason, Last Season 27-9-5, Prior 10 seasons: 0 sub-.500 years
Red Berenson, Last Season 13-19-3, Prior 10 seasons: 1 sub-.500 year
Jeff Sauer, Last Season 16-19-4, Prior 10 seasons: 3 sub-.500 years
Mike Schafer, YTD 12-10-6, Prior 10 seasons: 1 sub-.500 year

I think there's a real chance that when a coaching retirement is announced it can drain the focus/energy of a team. That would certainly be consistent with Cornell's performance this year. Combine high pressure to have a great season with a slew of injuries early on, and it's easy to see how frustration mounts quickly.

What I loved most about Schafe's senior year was the fire the team had. It won them games that they shouldn't have. I haven't seen that fire this season, and the result has been just the opposite.

This is a great post; well-researched and relevant.  Thank you.

BearLover

Quote from: arugula
Quote from: pjd8
Quote from: Scersk '97
Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: Scersk '97
Quote from: BearLover
Quote from: Scersk '97
Quote from: arugula
Quote from: Scersk '97Last years of great coaches are often disappointing. I leafed through the CHN almanac one day and saw some patterns.

Jeff Jackson this season at Notre Dame. Of course most of those other examples were not coming off a final eight season with virtually the entire team returning.  Shocking.

Pretty much the entire list of leaders by wins, including York, Parker, Berenson, Sauer, etc. Ron Mason is the only exception.
I would imagine almost all of their final years were under very different circumstances than Schafer's.

You don't read, do you? Great coaches, mediocre final seasons.

I think Bear's point was you could be switching the causal arrow.

Pretty sure they all left on their own terms.

I don't have direct knowledge of their leaving circumstances, but their records suggest they did indeed leave on their own terms. Sauer's sub-.500 years were not directly before his last season. Berenson and Parker had minor RS/CT/NCAA droughts toward the end, but not horrible results overall.

Jerry York, Last Season 15-18-5, Prior 10 seasons: 1 sub-.500 year
Jack Parker, Last Season 21-16-2, Prior 10 seasons: 1 sub-.500 year
Ron Mason, Last Season 27-9-5, Prior 10 seasons: 0 sub-.500 years
Red Berenson, Last Season 13-19-3, Prior 10 seasons: 1 sub-.500 year
Jeff Sauer, Last Season 16-19-4, Prior 10 seasons: 3 sub-.500 years
Mike Schafer, YTD 12-10-6, Prior 10 seasons: 1 sub-.500 year

I think there's a real chance that when a coaching retirement is announced it can drain the focus/energy of a team. That would certainly be consistent with Cornell's performance this year. Combine high pressure to have a great season with a slew of injuries early on, and it's easy to see how frustration mounts quickly.

What I loved most about Schafe's senior year was the fire the team had. It won them games that they shouldn't have. I haven't seen that fire this season, and the result has been just the opposite.


Must be killing him. Outwardly very positive but I can't imagine he's being patient with the team.
Schafer is more outwardly positive this season than I can ever remember him while losing. I've found it very off-putting. They keep losing by 3+ goals and in his weekly write-up Schafer is like, "I love how we played, we just have to put the puck in the net" and "I'm very proud of our effort despite the injuries." It's the same shit every week, bad results against mediocre opposition and Schafer is trying to spin it in a positive light. What happened to the old Schafer who would rip the team a new one after losses? Fans don't want to see another blowout loss to a crap team and then have the coach tell them how proud he is. By the way, can we cancel the injury excuse please? There's been no correlation between who is healthy and how the team plays. We were as healthy last night as we've been all season and the team laid yet another massive egg.

sah67

Quote from: BearLover. What happened to the old Schafer who would rip the team a new one after losses?

Do you expect him to suddenly be John Tortorella or something? I don't think any college coach worth their salt is ever going to "rip his team a new one" in a public interview with the student newspaper.

I'm sure the response to bad losses that takes place in the locker room/bus/next day's practice (that you're not privy to) is quite different.

BearLover

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Quote from: BearLover. What happened to the old Schafer who would rip the team a new one after losses?

Do you expect him to suddenly be John Tortorella or something? I don't think any college coach worth his salt is ever going to "rip his team a new one" in a public interview with the student newspaper.

I'm sure the response to bad losses that takes place in the locker room/bus/next day's practice (that you're not privy to) is quite different.
Sorry, but I strongly disagree with this. In the past Schafer has been very critical of the team (without naming names) in postgame press conferences and Sun interviews.