Cornell vs. St. Lawrence 1/31

Started by Iceberg, January 31, 2025, 09:52:34 AM

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BearLover

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Quote from: arugulaCastagna to me has been a gigantic disappointment.   Very few players look so good while getting nothing done.  The Utahns should be concerned.

I think this is the craziest thing I have ever read on this forum.  And I post on this forum.

Obviously we each have opinions and all that.  But this just leaves me mystified.  We aren't even watching the same universe.

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Ignoring the ad hominem, please explain what I'm missing in expressing disappointment that a scorer is not scoring.
I thought he was criticizing Trotsky's post. It shouldn't be controversial to say that the most talented player on the team having two goals and under half a point per game (excluding ENG) is a major disappointment.

As to the point about injuries...Castagna's line and the top PP unit have been healthy for the significant majority of the season.

Tom Lento

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Quote from: arugulaCastagna to me has been a gigantic disappointment.   Very few players look so good while getting nothing done.  The Utahns should be concerned.
I agree, but pretty much the entire team has regressed. It's kind of hard to single out anybody.

Yes, I think this is about how Cornell functions as a team, more than individual effort. When individuals are "to blame", I think it's more about how their absence disrupts the cohesion of the team, rather than individual performance on the ice. All the line juggling, etc, makes it hard to hit a groove, which leads to frustration, which leads to more absences, which makes it harder to hit a grove, which leads to more frustration.......

A reset is in order. It make take the start of the postseason to give us the reset we need.

Resets in the schedule and added practice time may help, but if the injuries and suspensions keep coming the season's over. It's all but impossible to compete at this level when you've got 4 guys playing out of position.

billhoward

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Quote from: billhowardMakeup is ready for you, sir. Steven A. Smith called in sick.
If I can get his paycheck too tell me where to report.
In the North Country. At the mouth of the St. Lawrence.

arugula

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Quote from: billhowardMakeup is ready for you, sir. Steven A. Smith called in sick.
If I can get his paycheck too tell me where to report.
In the North Country. At the mouth of the St. Lawrence.

Not sure if that's supposed to be an insult.  Must be the Alzheimer's.

BearLover

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Quote from: arugulaCastagna to me has been a gigantic disappointment.   Very few players look so good while getting nothing done.  The Utahns should be concerned.
I agree, but pretty much the entire team has regressed. It's kind of hard to single out anybody.

Yes, I think this is about how Cornell functions as a team, more than individual effort. When individuals are "to blame", I think it's more about how their absence disrupts the cohesion of the team, rather than individual performance on the ice. All the line juggling, etc, makes it hard to hit a groove, which leads to frustration, which leads to more absences, which makes it harder to hit a grove, which leads to more frustration.......

A reset is in order. It make take the start of the postseason to give us the reset we need.

Resets in the schedule and added practice time may help, but if the injuries and suspensions keep coming the season's over. It's all but impossible to compete at this level when you've got 4 guys playing out of position.
Rumor mill says illness is working its way through again and some that are playing are not 100 percent-closer to 50-60.
Honestly I'm tiring of all the excuses

BearLover

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Quote from: arugulaCastagna to me has been a gigantic disappointment.   Very few players look so good while getting nothing done.  The Utahns should be concerned.
I agree, but pretty much the entire team has regressed. It's kind of hard to single out anybody.

Yes, I think this is about how Cornell functions as a team, more than individual effort. When individuals are "to blame", I think it's more about how their absence disrupts the cohesion of the team, rather than individual performance on the ice. All the line juggling, etc, makes it hard to hit a groove, which leads to frustration, which leads to more absences, which makes it harder to hit a grove, which leads to more frustration.......

A reset is in order. It make take the start of the postseason to give us the reset we need.

Resets in the schedule and added practice time may help, but if the injuries and suspensions keep coming the season's over. It's all but impossible to compete at this level when you've got 4 guys playing out of position.
Rumor mill says illness is working its way through again and some that are playing are not 100 percent-closer to 50-60.
Honestly I'm tiring of all the excuses
Considering the short handed status, hefty on ice minutes for those skating, and some of them being ill - I tend to be sympathetic rather than having unrealistic expectations
I'm sympathetic that this has been an overall unfortunate year, but: Cornell isn't the only team with injuries and or the flu. This was supposed to be a really good team. The constant losing is repeatedly explained away with excuses about injuries, illness, basically anything OTHER than taking accountability for bad execution, lack of talent, bad coaching, or whatever is actually going on.

arugula

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Quote from: arugulaCastagna to me has been a gigantic disappointment.   Very few players look so good while getting nothing done.  The Utahns should be concerned.
I agree, but pretty much the entire team has regressed. It's kind of hard to single out anybody.

Yes, I think this is about how Cornell functions as a team, more than individual effort. When individuals are "to blame", I think it's more about how their absence disrupts the cohesion of the team, rather than individual performance on the ice. All the line juggling, etc, makes it hard to hit a groove, which leads to frustration, which leads to more absences, which makes it harder to hit a grove, which leads to more frustration.......

A reset is in order. It make take the start of the postseason to give us the reset we need.

Resets in the schedule and added practice time may help, but if the injuries and suspensions keep coming the season's over. It's all but impossible to compete at this level when you've got 4 guys playing out of position.
Rumor mill says illness is working its way through again and some that are playing are not 100 percent-closer to 50-60.
Honestly I'm tiring of all the excuses
Considering the short handed status, hefty on ice minutes for those skating, and some of them being ill - I tend to be sympathetic rather than having unrealistic expectations.


If true, this team is full of schlemiels and schemozzles.

Dafatone

I think it's fair to be disappointed by Castagna's production.

It's a little much to say the Utah Soon-to-be-Mammoth-Singular-not-Mammoths-Plural-for-no-reason-whatsoever need to be any more than slightly concerned. Down years happen.

scoop85

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Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: arugulaCastagna to me has been a gigantic disappointment.   Very few players look so good while getting nothing done.  The Utahns should be concerned.

I think this is the craziest thing I have ever read on this forum.  And I post on this forum.

Obviously we each have opinions and all that.  But this just leaves me mystified.  We aren't even watching the same universe.

I think you may need to give these folks a call: https://act.alz.org/site/Donation2?df_id=51079&51079.donation=form1&mfc_pref=T&utm_source=google&utm_medium=paidsearch&utm_campaign=giving_google&s_subsrc=giving_google&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAAD8nX1rYPaemb-EdMSck3YSrc-N2x&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI3eafx5mjiwMVOWJHAR2-hgB5EAAYAiAAEgKV0vD_BwE


Ignoring the ad hominem, please explain what I'm missing in expressing disappointment that a scorer is not scoring.

Sorry, that was directed at Trotsky. I'm on your side on this.

arugula

Quote from: DafatoneI think it's fair to be disappointed by Castagna's production.

It's a little much to say the Utah Soon-to-be-Mammoth-Singular-not-Mammoths-Plural-for-no-reason-whatsoever need to be any more than slightly concerned. Down years happen.

Fair

arugula

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Quote from: arugula
Quote from: scoop85
Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: arugulaCastagna to me has been a gigantic disappointment.   Very few players look so good while getting nothing done.  The Utahns should be concerned.

I think this is the craziest thing I have ever read on this forum.  And I post on this forum.

Obviously we each have opinions and all that.  But this just leaves me mystified.  We aren't even watching the same universe.

I think you may need to give these folks a call: https://act.alz.org/site/Donation2?df_id=51079&51079.donation=form1&mfc_pref=T&utm_source=google&utm_medium=paidsearch&utm_campaign=giving_google&s_subsrc=giving_google&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAAD8nX1rYPaemb-EdMSck3YSrc-N2x&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI3eafx5mjiwMVOWJHAR2-hgB5EAAYAiAAEgKV0vD_BwE


Ignoring the ad hominem, please explain what I'm missing in expressing disappointment that a scorer is not scoring.

Sorry, that was directed at Trotsky. I'm on your side on this.

Gotcha.

arugula

Still haven't heard any reason why I'm wrong, only that it's a "crazy opinion"

BearLover

Quote from: arugulaStill haven't heard any reason why I'm wrong, only that it's a "crazy opinion"
Welcome to the club

Scersk '97

Quote from: DafatoneI think it's fair to be disappointed by Castagna's production.

It's a little much to say the Utah Soon-to-be-Mammoth-Singular-not-Mammoths-Plural-for-no-reason-whatsoever need to be any more than slightly concerned. Down years happen.

Sophomore slumps are very much a thing, and Robertson and Castagna (more mildly) are in 'em.

Trotsky

Quote from: arugulaI single out Castagna because of the promise he showed last year and the high draft bias.   If you think that two goals plus one empty net shows he's been good ok.  Results business. He's relied upon to score.   For example, Walsh with similarly high expectations has met them.  JC while good at the dots and reasonably responsible hasn't.  I see puck possession but not much else.  Please educate me. If this is the craziest thing you've seen on this board I'm rather surprised and you're buying next time in Ithaca.

"Accomplishing anything" is well beyond goal count.  

Castagna is our most feared player on the ice for the opposition.  He attracts the strongest defender.  They tweak their positional play to account for him.  He typically has guys playing inside his sweater.  You watch hockey. You know all the things guys do without showing up on the scorecard.

If you are saying Castagna has the largest gap between talent and goals, then that is a reasonable statement (although DeSantis and this year Robertson might make an argument).  But to say "without accomplishing anything" is the type of 2024 overdramatization which... well... somebody already make the Stephen A. Smith joke.