Recruits 2025 and Beyond

[BearLover]

CHN Podcast thinks the CHL decision is bad for factory programs since the talent pool will be too large for them to monopolize.

Fun fact: of the 30 schools on the panel that made the ruling, only 2 have any hockey program at all.

It will be relatively bad for the best teams because the best players will be recruited at 16, not 19-20 after a career in the CHL. But will it benefit Cornell? It remains to be seen how many of these kids can/want to go to Ivy League schools.

I don't follow the 16yo vs 19-20 angle

The absolute studs coming out of high school are not waiting until they are 20 to commit to a NCAA school. Id think the same would apply to high end talent that might go CHL (or already in it if you can be at 16)

Aren't the Michigans, BC, BU, Minnesota, Denvers of the world already getting the best young?  What changes here?

I must be missing something.

Those teams will still get the best young players. But now the pool of older players is much bigger and deeper for all the other teams who rely on recruiting older less heralded players. So comparatively the BCs of the world have less of an advantage.

[ugarte]

Anyway, 0% chance any of these players ever come to Cornell. Ivies aren't going to accept rental players who are going to college for a year or two to "marinate." So that's one big downside of this new rule.

Brother, you need better antidepressants.

[Dafatone]

I'll continue to say I'd take the "right" 23 year old nonprospect over the "wrong" 19 year old draft pick.

Gabriel Seger might be the best Cornell player I've seen, recency bias or not.

[abmarks]

CHN Podcast thinks the CHL decision is bad for factory programs since the talent pool will be too large for them to monopolize.

Fun fact: of the 30 schools on the panel that made the ruling, only 2 have any hockey program at all.

It will be relatively bad for the best teams because the best players will be recruited at 16, not 19-20 after a career in the CHL. But will it benefit Cornell? It remains to be seen how many of these kids can/want to go to Ivy League schools.

I don't follow the 16yo vs 19-20 angle

The absolute studs coming out of high school are not waiting until they are 20 to commit to a NCAA school. Id think the same would apply to high end talent that might go CHL (or already in it if you can be at 16)

Aren't the Michigans, BC, BU, Minnesota, Denvers of the world already getting the best young?  What changes here?

I must be missing something.

Those teams will still get the best young players. But now the pool of older players is much bigger and deeper for all the other teams who rely on recruiting older less heralded players. So comparatively the BCs of the world have less of an advantage.

Fair enough.   But doesn't it also increase size and talent level in the pool of stud 16 year olds?  

The top 100 kids not yet committed to an NCAA school will now be  significantly more talented than before. This is over simplified, but if the top 100 worked out to be the top 50 American high school kids and the top 50 chl eligible 16 year olds in canada, then the 100th ranked kid today has the talent of the 50th ranked one in the past.  

If Michigan lands 4 kids in the top 100, they'll be even higher end talent than before.

Also, they could well get more high end commits than before.  Idk the exact numbers, but let's say that the potential recruit pool has now doubled in total.   But the number of NCAA teams is the same.   Today there are plenty of recruiting battles at all levels, but I'm sure that the BCs and Michigans etc are battling over those top recruits all the time, and while winning some, they also lose out to the other schools too.

So if the high end pool is now bigger, but the number of roster spots in D1 hasn't, id think that those schools would actually land more studs per year.  Why?  If you're that good, you're not all of a sudden going to choose a program a step down.   You're still going to the factory school.

If this was bball and a similar thing happened, don't you think duke is going to get even more studs than before?

I saw a comment on the web somewhere the other day about college football.  The guy was a bit incredulous when talking about sec football.  Something to the effect of "every guy good enough to go to Auburn thinks they're gonna be the man...Even the dude who's 5th on the depth chart who will probably never see the field.  You'd think they'd go somewhere that's still a tremendous winning D1 program,where they'd start probably even start.  But if you're good enough to sign there, all those guys egos say that they are going to be the one thats at the top of the depth chart; they've never known anything different"

[CAS]

Recruit Gio DiGiullian, after a hat trick on Saturday, is currently tied for most goals this season in the USHL.

[randyranger]

Xavier Veilleux, Presently with Muskegon (their leading scorer as a Dman) in USHL.  Was a Harvard commit, now coming in either '25 or '26.  Sixth round pick of the Islanders in the 2024 draft.

[ugarte]

Xavier Veilleux, Presently with Muskegon (their leading scorer as a Dman) in USHL.  Was a Harvard commit, now coming in either '25 or '26.  Sixth round pick of the Islanders in the 2024 draft.

Stealing a guy from Harvard? His name begins and ends with x like a gamer tag? Drafted, so he comes pre-approved by people who hyperventilate about how many of our recruits are drafted? Already a winner.

[CAS]

Named to the 1st-team all-USHL rookie team last season.  Can't wait to see him on Lynah ice.

[scoop85]

Xavier Veilleux, Presently with Muskegon (their leading scorer as a Dman) in USHL.  Was a Harvard commit, now coming in either '25 or '26.  Sixth round pick of the Islanders in the 2024 draft.

Stealing a guy from Harvard? His name begins and ends with x like a gamer tag? Drafted, so he comes pre-approved by people who hyperventilate about how many of our recruits are drafted? Already a winner.

Yep, a certain someone is having multiples over this

[BearLover]

Xavier Veilleux, Presently with Muskegon (their leading scorer as a Dman) in USHL.  Was a Harvard commit, now coming in either '25 or '26.  Sixth round pick of the Islanders in the 2024 draft.

Stealing a guy from Harvard? His name begins and ends with x like a gamer tag? Drafted, so he comes pre-approved by people who hyperventilate about how many of our recruits are drafted? Already a winner.

Yep, a certain someone is having multiples over this

osorojo

[Trotsky]

Named to the 1st-team all-USHL rookie team last season.  Can't wait to see him on Lynah ice.

Holy shit.  This is really good news.  ::banana::

Birthplace: L'Ancienne-Lorette, Quebec.

Casey Jones: Temiscaming, Quebec.

Just sayin'.

[David Harding]

Xavier Veilleux, Presently with Muskegon (their leading scorer as a Dman) in USHL.  Was a Harvard commit, now coming in either '25 or '26.  Sixth round pick of the Islanders in the 2024 draft.

Nuts!  Our local USHL team has already played Muskegon several times this season and won't see them again.  He'd be fun to check out.

[TimV]

Initials are XV.  Be cool if Catalano gave him number 15 to wear.

[BearLover]

I'm not sure this is Cornell directly poaching a Harvard recruit, more like he decommitted from Harvard a little while ago and must have valued education to some degree, plus Casey's Quebec ties may have played a role, so he later decided to commit to Cornell. With that said, this is definitely a bullish indicator because just about every program in the country would have been interested in this guy. While Cornell does end up with some drafted/heralded players, it's always because they commit early before they've received much hype. In this case, we have an already-drafted player putting up great numbers in the USHL who decided on Cornell when he could have likely picked among elite hockey programs.

This is also probably a sign there isn't much/any NIL in college hockey right now.

[David Harding]

Recruit Gio DiGiullian, after a hat trick on Saturday, is currently tied for most goals this season in the USHL.

And I missed my last chance of the season to see him, too.