Wrestling 2024-25

[ugarte]

Will they let Knox in now?

I didn't know that Anthony Jr. was involved in the fight (thought it was just his father) but that's obviously wrong. He's been DQ'd from NJ states, which he would definitely win. TBH, Knox is one of those recruits who could probably stab a guy and it wouldn't affect his standing with most schools (and maybe Cornell.) From what I've read, the video seems to show that he was backing up his dad who went into the stands first, which could be a mitigating factor. Might mean a greyshirt instead of coming directly and that may have been in the cards anyway since Greg D. appears to be returning next year at 125.

Update: Knox still coming. He's also suing for an injunction that would let him compete at NJ States but I'm not doing the research on likelihood of success; all I know is that judges grant injunctions in cases like this that boggle my mind.

[ugarte]

OK, sports fans. The final official pre-conference tournament rankings are out and with them, the number of automatic bids each conference has earned. We earned spots for the conference at eight weights (not 125 or 285). The Ivies get an AQ at 285 anyway and while he's hardly a lock, Ashton Davis went 5-0 in conference, so 9 is a realistic result. I don't know if Milani has the juice at 125, though he'll probably be the 4th seed in a 3-bid conference. He was 2-3, with losses to all of the wrestlers who earned automatic bids.

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                Flo WIN IM TOM AWN BEG WSt SHP CR   RPI
125: Milani NR NR NR xx NR NR 74 36 NR   26
133: Ferrara 27 NR 30 20 NR 24 27 30 31   28
141: Saunders 22 NR 30 19 18 23 29 26 26   30
149: Fernandez 21 NR 20 NR NR 20 29 29 23   23
157: Shapiro 3 2 2 1 1 1 1 2 2   xx
165: Ramirez 5 5 5 3 5 5 5 13 5   16
174: Ruiz 11 10 9 6 7 6 10 10 12   15
184: Foca   8 7 6 8 8 5 5 6 8    4
197: Mike D. 27 NR 24 NR NR 24 28 20 21   23  
285: Davis NR NR 33 NR NR 31 56 36 NR   32
TEAM NCAA: 11 9 10 5 xx 5 8 13 9   --
TEAM DUAL:       9 9 10 9 xx 8 9 11 --   --


Flo ranks to 33. Ruiz drops 2 spots for the loss to Takats. We go from 9 dual/10 NCAA to the reverse. Not that dual rankings still matter.
WIN ranks to 20. Fernandez rejoins the rankings.
Intermat ranks to 33. Saunders jumps after his dominating win over Chappell. Ruiz takes a small hit here as well. Davis falls out after NC's heavy had a run of good wins to join the rankings and push Davis off the edge.
Open Mat ranks to 20. Ghost of Ungar finally gone. Ferrara falls out of the rankings. Ruiz drops from 6 to 9.
AWN ranks to 20. Saunders drops out? Weird. Dellagatta joins the rankings at 20.
BEG Rank to 33. *TK.
WrestleStat ELO updated.
SHP DII (explainer)
CR and RPI[/b] 3d CR and 2d RPI from 2/27.  NCAA team coaches' poll from 2/23.

2/18 Flo Ivy rankings with (AQ allocations):
125: Milani - 4 (3) (Sotelo, Gallagher, McGowan)
133: Ferrara - 1 (2) (Ferrara, Miller)
141: Saunders - 2 (4) (Oswalt, Saunders, Composto, Rivera)
149: Fernandez - 3 (3) (Fernandez, Wasilewski, Whalen)
157: Shapiro - 1 (3) (Saito, Shapiro, Swisher)
165: Ramirez - 1 (2) (Alvan, Ramirez)
174: Ruiz - 1 (2) (Ruiz, Incontrera)
184: Foca - 1 (4) (Fine, Foca, Hale, Mulhauser)
197: Dellagatta - 2 (2) (Dellagatta, Stout)
285: Davis - 1 (1) (Nobody)

[ugarte]

ILT is Sunday, 3/9, starting at 10am at Princeton's Jadwin Gym. If you want to sleep in a little, 9 of Cornell's 10 wrestlers earned a top-2 seed and have byes to the semis (at noon). Tickets here and brackets here.

I did a summary of the situation for our guys heading into the tournament for the Cornell wrestling forum so here it is (with corrections):

125: Marcello Milani - Seed: 4 | AQ:3 - Longshot to get an at-large if he doesn't pull off at least one upset and if he pulls off an upset... he doesn't need it. I don't remember if he could even qualify for consideration. I think maybe he would have RPI and near-miss if he finished in fourth but probably no quality wins.

133: Tyler Ferrara - Seed: 1 | AQ: 2 - If he gets upset, his chance at at-large is slimmer than I expected. .722 if he goes 2-1 and finishes in 3d, also earning the near-miss criteria. Probably keeps a top-33 RPI but falls out of the CR if he gets upset before the final. Miller probably going to the final and would be a quality win. I don't know if there's another QW on his resume. I thought it was basically a guaranteed at-large but now idk. Shouldn't come to that.

141: Joshua Saunders - Seed: 2 | AQ: 4 - Same as Ferrara, but even less likely that he falls short with 4 slots. He'd have to go 0-2 for this even to be an issue. If he goes 0-3 it gets really hairy for him. He has quality wins but he falls under 70%, loses CR and might even lose RPI. If he doesn't finish top four I can't complain if he doesn't get an at-large.

149: Ethan Fernandez - Seed: 2 | AQ: 2 - 2 seed is nice. Still, probably Whalen in the semi, which is a very tough matchup. Won't be at .700 if he doesn't get an AQ. Does have a couple of potential quality wins (Buesgens, Vasquez) and should finish third even if he loses to Whalen, so that's another at-large criteria. He stays in the top-33 for CR and RPI unless he loses to someone other than Whalen/Wasilewski. High likelihood of at-large unless the ILT goes pair shaped.

157: Meyer Shapiro - Seed: 1 | AQ: 3 No jinx. Easy at-large.

165: Julian Ramirez - Seed: 1 | AQ: 2 No jinx. Easy at-large.

174: Simon Ruiz - Seed: 1 | AQ: 2 No jinx. Easy at-large.

184: Chris Foca - Seed: 1 | AQ: 4 No jinx. Easy at-large.

197: Mikey Dellagatta - Seed: 2 | AQ: 2 No jinx. There's a lot of separation between the top 2 and the rest of the field. He stays above .700 in overall (but not D1) even if he goes 0-3. Probably keeps top-33 CR and RPI barring disaster. Possible QW over Knop. Shouldn't be an issue.

285: Ashton Davis - Seed: 1 | AQ: 1 - 5-0 but didn't dominate all the matches. If he doesn't win it all, his only QW is over the conference champ. If he doesn't win his semi it gets even more interesting because he loses the near-miss criteria. The 4 seed was Flo's #1 until Davis beat him in OT, so it's a tough match.  Davis's RPI is surprisingly high (16), so he'll hold that. He would finish over .700 whether he finishes in 2d or 3d. So he'd be in the mix unless he totally crashes out... but it will be touch and go. The top four Ivy heavies are all close and none of them were good enough to earn the bid; it was allocated to the conference automatically, which is not a great sign for at-large chances.

Abbreviations: QW is quality win; AQ is either automatic qualifier(s).

Criteria for an at-large (need at least 2) based on post-conference tournament record, minimum 8 matches:
.700 against D-1 wrestlers at your weight.
.700 against any NCAA wrestler
QW: Win against a wrestler who earned an AQ at their conference tournament
Top 33 RPI (minimum 15 matches at weight for qualifying RPI)
Top 33 Coaches Rating (minimum 8 matches at weight for qualifying CR)
Near miss (finishing one spot below AQ at the conference tournament)

[Iceberg]

I was in a hotel in Syracuse and there were a lot of kids and parents in town for NYS wrestling championships (I assume middle school) this weekend. I imagine quite a few of them will be at Cornell in 5-10 years if that's the natural order of things

[scoop85]

I was in a hotel in Syracuse and there were a lot of kids and parents in town for NYS wrestling championships (I assume middle school) this weekend. I imagine quite a few of them will be at Cornell in 5-10 years if that's the natural order of things

More Jersey guys these days, but we'll probably see a few of the NY kids.

[ugarte]

I was in a hotel in Syracuse and there were a lot of kids and parents in town for NYS wrestling championships (I assume middle school) this weekend. I imagine quite a few of them will be at Cornell in 5-10 years if that's the natural order of things

More Jersey guys these days, but we'll probably see a few of the NY kids.

When we do take a New York kid it tends to work out very well. Dake (4x champ), Yianni (4x champ), Vito (2x champ, 4x AA), Nickerson (1x champ, 4x AA). And Hunter Richard came to Cornell from a lower NY division (IIRC) and came so close to AA his senior year. I'm sure I'm forgetting others.

[ithacat]

I was in a hotel in Syracuse and there were a lot of kids and parents in town for NYS wrestling championships (I assume middle school) this weekend. I imagine quite a few of them will be at Cornell in 5-10 years if that's the natural order of things

More Jersey guys these days, but we'll probably see a few of the NY kids.

When we do take a New York kid it tends to work out very well. Dake (4x champ), Yianni (4x champ), Vito (2x champ, 4x AA), Nickerson (1x champ, 4x AA). And Hunter Richard came to Cornell from a lower NY division (IIRC) and came so close to AA his senior year. I'm sure I'm forgetting others.

Speaking of Syracuse, Ben Honis would be another one. After losing his appeal for a 5th year he went to SU and played football.

[ugarte]

I was in a hotel in Syracuse and there were a lot of kids and parents in town for NYS wrestling championships (I assume middle school) this weekend. I imagine quite a few of them will be at Cornell in 5-10 years if that's the natural order of things

More Jersey guys these days, but we'll probably see a few of the NY kids.

When we do take a New York kid it tends to work out very well. Dake (4x champ), Yianni (4x champ), Vito (2x champ, 4x AA), Nickerson (1x champ, 4x AA). And Hunter Richard came to Cornell from a lower NY division (IIRC) and came so close to AA his senior year. I'm sure I'm forgetting others.

Speaking of Syracuse, Ben Honis would be another one. After losing his appeal for a 5th year he went to SU and played football.

100%. They bounced him around the upper weights his whole career depending on who was injured and when he finally got a starting role he made a crazy back side run to AA after being upset in the first round.

Npwthat you've got me thinking, Realbuto (3X AA) and Palacio (2X AA) were NYers as well.

[nshapiro]

I am so pissed - ESPN+ says coverage is starting at 11:00

[upprdeck]

fun matches so far. 8 of 10 into the finals

Stout is too good for the Ivies it seems

[ugarte]

Stout is too good for the Ivies it seems

Didn't seem that way before this year! He's having a great year.

Almost perfect so far. Small disappointment that Milani (125) lost in SV in the first round and big disappointment that Saunders lost in SV in the semi. Both losses were to guys they beat at the duals.

Pins in under a minute from both Ramirez (165) and Dellagatta (197). Dominant starto finish  wins from Shapiro (157), Ruiz (174) and Foca (184). Thrilling SV takedown from Davis (285) when his opponent tried for a big upper-body move. Workmanlike W from Ferrara (133).

MVP, though, is Fernandez (149) with a late takedown for a big upset to move into the finals and clinch his NCAA bid.

Saunders and Davis still have work to do. Saunders is probably the favorite here but it's must-win. Davis had his path greased (on paper) by a backup at heavy for Princeton and a surprise pin by Columbia over Penn, but the Columbia heavy sat out our dual and has two straight pins to reach the final so i bet he's feeling pretty good.

Consolation matches start at 2:30.

[upprdeck]

2 late matches that matter now. I wish it was better explained what time the matches to come would be on appx

[ugarte]

2 late matches that matter now. I wish it was better explained what time the matches to come would be on appx

they roll straight through the consolation rounds. After the 285 consi semis they'll go to Milani's 3d place match.

Milani with an upset over Sotelo and he's got a rematch with Columbia for an NCAA bid.

Saunders didn't really try to score on his feet at all but in the tiebreaker rounds he scored 2 on a reversal from bottom and a takedown on a counter to win 6-1 and punch his ticket to NCAAs.

Milani and Davis both have winnable matches to get the whole team to Nationals.

[upprdeck]

I just watch this stuff and wait for Ugarte to explain it to me.

But this has been a fun day with some outstanding scrambling to save matches.

[upprdeck]

the fernandez match was interesting.  would love to know the replay rules.