Men's Basketball 24-25

[dbilmes]

Quick search and I think the last time we beat:

Patriot: @Army 12/8/2024
MAAC: @Iona 11/25/2024
SoCon: Samford 11/8/2024
Horizon: @Robert Morris 12/22/2023
CAA: Monmouth 11/29/2023
WAC: Utah Valley 11/20/2023 (Neutral site)
Big West: Cal State-Fullerton 11/19/2023 (Neutral site)
A10: @Fordham 11/11/2023
America East: Binghamton 12/29/2022
NEC: @St. Francis(PA) 11/14/2022
MEAC: Coppin State 12/3/2021
Big South: Longwood 12/17/2018
MAC: Toledo 11/24/2017
OVC: SE Missouri State 12/23/2016 (Neutral site)
Big 10: Wisconsin 3/21/2010 (NCAA R32)
Great West (RIP): @South Dakota 1/8/2010
Big East: St. John's 12/21/2009 (ECAC Holiday Tournament finals at MSG)
SEC: @Alabama 11/14/2009 (friends-and-family game for Louis Dale)
Big Sky: Eastern Washington 12/3/1994 (Neutral site)
Sun Belt: Georgia Southern 12/29/1993 (Neutral site)
Pac 12 (RIP-ish): Cal 12/30/1992 (Seton Hall /Meadowlands consolation game, over Jason Kidd)
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Big XII: Last game I could find was a loss at #1 Kansas 1/4/2010 and goddamn we almost had this one
WCC: Last game I could find was a loss at U. of the Pacific 12/3/1988

Our next game is against MVC's Illinois State. Conference realignment makes all of this tricky but feel free to go back further than 1989-90, add conferences (including historical conferences like SWC), search for specific opponents or check my work.

I should probably get back to work.

Impressive research! We need to schedule more games against the Sun Belt and Big Sky so we can end those droughts.

[mountainred]

Quick search and I think the last time we beat:

Patriot: @Army 12/8/2024
MAAC: @Iona 11/25/2024
SoCon: Samford 11/8/2024
Horizon: @Robert Morris 12/22/2023
CAA: Monmouth 11/29/2023
WAC: Utah Valley 11/20/2023 (Neutral site)
Big West: Cal State-Fullerton 11/19/2023 (Neutral site)
A10: @Fordham 11/11/2023
America East: Binghamton 12/29/2022
NEC: @St. Francis(PA) 11/14/2022
MEAC: Coppin State 12/3/2021
Big South: Longwood 12/17/2018
MAC: Toledo 11/24/2017
OVC: SE Missouri State 12/23/2016 (Neutral site)
Big 10: Wisconsin 3/21/2010 (NCAA R32)
Great West (RIP): @South Dakota 1/8/2010
Big East: St. John's 12/21/2009 (ECAC Holiday Tournament finals at MSG)
SEC: @Alabama 11/14/2009 (friends-and-family game for Louis Dale)
Big Sky: Eastern Washington 12/3/1994 (Neutral site)
Sun Belt: Georgia Southern 12/29/1993 (Neutral site)
Pac 12 (RIP-ish): Cal 12/30/1992 (Seton Hall /Meadowlands consolation game, over Jason Kidd)
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Big XII: Last game I could find was a loss at #1 Kansas 1/4/2010 and goddamn we almost had this one
WCC: Last game I could find was a loss at U. of the Pacific 12/3/1988

Our next game is against MVC's Illinois State. Conference realignment makes all of this tricky but feel free to go back further than 1989-90, add conferences (including historical conferences like SWC), search for specific opponents or check my work.

I should probably get back to work.

Impressive research! We need to schedule more games against the Sun Belt and Big Sky so we can end those droughts.

Kudos for the research!  For the WCC, the good guys beat U Portland at their place in 1983.  I think it was the 5th place game of the Far Wets Classic.

[Swampy]

Still funny that our first ACC win since 1951 is against... Cal?

Makes me wonder:

• When was our last win over a Pac10 team?
  
• When was Cal's last win over an ACC team?
  

[Swampy]

Patriot: @Army 12/8/2024
MAAC: @Iona 11/25/2024
SoCon: Samford 11/8/2024
Horizon: @Robert Morris 12/22/2023
CAA: Monmouth 11/29/2023
WAC: Utah Valley 11/20/2023 (Neutral site)
Big West: Cal State-Fullerton 11/19/2023 (Neutral site)
A10: @Fordham 11/11/2023
America East: Binghamton 12/29/2022
NEC: @St. Francis(PA) 11/14/2022
MEAC: Coppin State 12/3/2021
Big South: Longwood 12/17/2018
MAC: Toledo 11/24/2017
OVC: SE Missouri State 12/23/2016 (Neutral site)
Big 10: Wisconsin 3/21/2010 (NCAA R32)
Great West (RIP): @South Dakota 1/8/2010
Big East: St. John's 12/21/2009 (ECAC Holiday Tournament finals at MSG)
SEC: @Alabama 11/14/2009 (friends-and-family game for Louis Dale)
Big Sky: Eastern Washington 12/3/1994 (Neutral site)
Sun Belt: Georgia Southern 12/29/1993 (Neutral site)
Pac 12 (RIP-ish): Cal 12/30/1992 (Seton Hall / Meadowlands consolation game, over Jason Kidd)
WCC: Portland 12/30/83 (thx mountainred!)

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Big XII: Last game I could find was a loss at #1 Kansas 1/4/2010 and goddamn we almost had this one

Our next game is against MVC's Illinois State. Conference realignment makes all of this tricky but feel free to go back further than 1989-90, add conferences (including historical conferences like SWC), search for specific opponents or check my work.

I should probably get back to work.

Thanks. Very interesting.

But before you get back to work, it would be helpful to also know the last time we played a team in that league.

If we play an ACC team every year, the 73-year drought is much more depressing than if we last played an ACC team in 1951.

[ugarte]

Thanks. Very interesting.

But before you get back to work, it would be helpful to also know the last time we played a team in that league.

If we play an ACC team every year, the 73-year drought is much more depressing than if we last played an ACC team in 1951.

It's not often but in scrolling back through our schedules, we played (off the top of my head), UNC, NC State, Wake Forest, Duke, BC, GTx2, Pitt and, of course, we do play Syracuse every year and they've been ACC for a while now.

• When was our last win over a Pac10 team?
  

It's on the list! And it was also Cal!

I'm not looking up anything about Cal. Not my problem!

[ugarte]

Double post

[mountainred]

For those who haven't paid a lot of attention to the rest of the Ivies, here is a quick rundown, using KenPom (records as of 12/20):

1) Yale (5-5) -- The computers' Ivy favorite.  The Elis are doing what they normally do; the play efficiently, shoot and rebound well and don't turn the ball over.  So far on the season they haven't done anything spectacular.  They have two competitive losses at Big 10 teams, but their best win is Vermont, I guess.  James Jones always gets Yale into the ILT and I will pencil them in until they are mathematically eliminated.  Just be happy Danny Wolf headed to Michigan (at least for Cornell's chances of winning the league) because he has looked great as a Wolverine.
2) Princeton (8-4) -- Still my pick to win the regular season, but not the juggernaut they could have been.  At least so far.  The Tigers still return two Ivy first-teamers and last year' POY in Pierce and Lee.   And they were good enough to win at St. Joes.  Just can't  imagine them missing the ILT.
3) Cornell (7-3) -- Tons of credit to Jon Jacques for what has been a smooth transition.  If you believe Bart Torvik, the Red have been the second best team in the league.  Winning at Cal was huge and the Samford win is looking better and better (they have lost to Michigan State, Arizona and us). Other than the Bobby Mo debacle, Cornell has been playing like an Ivy favorite should and Nazir still hasn't gotten untracked.  Maybe this is the year they win a game in ILT?
4) Columbia (10-1) -- Look, the 'Nova win was huge, League's best so far, but the rest of their schedule has been soft, soft, soft.  Are they contenders or is this a mirage?  Either way, De La Rosa is a stud and has been playing peak hoops this year.  He's hitting 51% of his threes and is an early favorite for POY.  The other starters are juniors, so the Lions are experienced.  Columbia faded late last year, but my guess is that while they aren't as good as 10-1 implies, they are good and will be fighting to finally make the ILT.
5) Brown (7-3) -- Last year's almost Cinderella has won 6 straight including handing Rhode Island their first loss.  Mike Martin is a great coach and Kino Lilly -- the only other returning Ivy first teamer -- can take over a game.  Which is good because he never sits.  If Nana hadn't gotten hurt and Anya bailed to be a Billiken, Brown could have been dominant.  But in the world of what actually happened, they are the last real contender for the ILT.  But they host if they can make it.
6) Harvard (3-7) -- The Crimson have too much talent to completely write off, but they haven't looked good.  They've lost to a pair of KenPom sub 300 teams and just barely beat New Hampshire who has zero D1 wins.  Harvard starts two freshman and a sophomore, and has been working the talented Louis Lesmond back, so there is hope they can improve.  But they miss their two transfers who left for Stanford and Georgetown, including last year's ROY, Malik Mack.
7) Penn (3-7) -- Penn is a mess.  They started by beating two of the worst teams in the country, both by a single point, and are 1-7 since. Quaker fans and spoiled and entitled, and those are my friends, and they are restless.  Penn doesn't really do anything well. They will win some Ivy games thanks to the Palestra, I certainly won't guarantee a Cornell win there, but there is a real chance Penn finishes last in the league. Not sure the last time I would have said that.
Dartmouth (4-7) -- Dartmouth looks much improved.  They beat BC and they've been more competitive in their losses.  The Big Green aren't making the ILT after going 6-21, 2-12, but they will claim some hides this year.

tl;dr -- Pencil Yale and Princeton for the ILT; the good guys, Brown and Columbia will fight for the two remaining slots with Harvard being a wild card and Dartmouth being more dangerous.

[chimpfood]

Thanks for the update, my ILT prediction would be 1.Cornell 2.Yale 3.Princeton 4.Brown

[rss77]

Good summary. Checked Illinois State's roster and see that they have 8 players from the portal including some grad students. They will be good test.

[chimpfood]

I feel good about this one, ilinois states not gonna keep up the rate that they're shooting from three

[ugarte]

I feel good about this one, ilinois states not gonna keep up the rate that they're shooting from three

Tuning in at the half and Cornell is up 45-43.

[scoop85]

I feel good about this one, ilinois states not gonna keep up the rate that they're shooting from three

Wonderfully entertaining half, with Cornell coming back from 7 down to take a 45-43 lead on a Kiachian tip at the buzzer. ISU was 9 for 14 from 3 in the half, with their freshman Doherty looking like Ryan Witmann while going 4 for 4, and barely rippling the twine with his 3's.

As Eric Taylor noted, Cornell will probably have to start playing their man straight up to limit the open 3's

[ugarte]

I feel good about this one, ilinois states not gonna keep up the rate that they're shooting from three

Wonderfully entertaining half, with Cornell coming back from 7 down to take a 45-43 lead on a Kiachian tip at the buzzer. ISU was 9 for 14 from 3 in the half, with their freshman Doherty looking like Ryan Witmann while going 4 for 4, and barely rippling the twine with his 3's.

As Eric Taylor noted, Cornell will probably have to start playing their man straight up to limit the open 3's

Cornell hot out of the gate, especially on D (playing in-your-face on the perimeter) and now leads 52-44 at the first commercial break.

[ugarte]

After a TO, ISU comes out hot and cuts it to 1. After trading 3s and Okereke hitting a tough layup, it's 59-56 at the 12:00 media timeout.

[Mr. Niss]

The idiotic foul by Hinton on a 3-0 changed this whole damn game.