Cornell football 2023

[ugarte]

https://www.ithaca.com/sports/sports_features/life-after-football-former-teammates-work-together-on-the-road-to-recovery/article_7f353898-9a90-11ee-8ac8-7710ff5a6cb2.html

Interesting article on Chad Levitt and the price one pays for playing football

also a lot of reasons in there why his NFL career didn't go as well as payne's. glad that he found someone who cared enough to do the extra work to diagnose and fix the problem.

[David Harding]

https://www.ithaca.com/sports/sports_features/life-after-football-former-teammates-work-together-on-the-road-to-recovery/article_7f353898-9a90-11ee-8ac8-7710ff5a6cb2.html

Interesting article on Chad Levitt and the price one pays for playing football

Scary!

[Roy 82]

https://www.ithaca.com/sports/sports_features/life-after-football-former-teammates-work-together-on-the-road-to-recovery/article_7f353898-9a90-11ee-8ac8-7710ff5a6cb2.html

Interesting article on Chad Levitt and the price one pays for playing football

Scary!

Indeed.

Exciting new coach notwithstanding, I would suggest that Cornell take the bold move of ending its football programs. The casualty toll is too great. And the NCAA knocked the Ivies from the top league anyway.

[CU2007]

https://www.ithaca.com/sports/sports_features/life-after-football-former-teammates-work-together-on-the-road-to-recovery/article_7f353898-9a90-11ee-8ac8-7710ff5a6cb2.html

Interesting article on Chad Levitt and the price one pays for playing football

Scary!

Indeed.

Exciting new coach notwithstanding, I would suggest that Cornell take the bold move of ending its football programs. The casualty toll is too great. And the NCAA knocked the Ivies from the top league anyway.

For a while there after the movie Concussion and CTE in football players being the lead story on the news, I really thought Cornell would end the program. Take being on "the right side of history" as an easy way to get rid of a rotten program you just can't seem to fix.

Now everyone seems to have forgotten or just agreed not to care that we are watching people wreck their bodies, and in many cases their lives, and football seems as big as ever. I'm guilty of it too.

[Trotsky]

Now everyone seems to have forgotten or just agreed not to care that we are watching people wreck their bodies, and in many cases their lives, and football seems as big as ever. I'm guilty of it too.

Is it?

My impression after the pandemic was everybody was pulling their kids out of football except the derps.  The sport dies if there are no more gladiators.

[CU2007]

Now everyone seems to have forgotten or just agreed not to care that we are watching people wreck their bodies, and in many cases their lives, and football seems as big as ever. I'm guilty of it too.

Is it?

My impression after the pandemic was everybody was pulling their kids out of football except the derps.  The sport dies if there are no more gladiators.

I think participation is down for sure except in places where football is religion. TV ratings are excellent again after a brief drop, and the group of people saying they would stop watching for moral reasons seems to have been shouted down. I think it's probably true that if you grow up with few options, football might be worth the risk. But if you're a rich suburban kid, it's probably not.

[dbilmes]

The Washington Post has an excellent series of articles published this week about the state of high school football. Here is an excerpt from the main story:
While participation is falling almost everywhere, The Post found, boys in the most conservative, poorest states continue to play high school tackle football at higher rates than those in wealthier and more politically liberal areas. The politicization of the concussion crisis is forging deeper divisions between those who support youth football and those who don't. And while precise data about football's racial makeup is hard to come by, the demographics appear to be gradually shifting. Among kids and teens, White and Black males are playing tackle football at declining rates, while Hispanic boys increasingly take up the sport. In college, the proportion of White players is declining, and that of Black players rising, at faster rates than national demographic changes.
High-schoolers in states that voted for former president Donald Trump in 2020 played football last year at a rate roughly 1.5 times as high as those in states that went for President Biden, The Post found — a significant divide that also existed a decade ago. But poll results revealed that liberals are increasingly more likely to discourage children from playing football, while conservatives are just about as likely to recommend the sport now as in 2012.
"There seems to be a very disturbing possibility," said Andrew M. Lindner, associate professor of sociology at Skidmore College who has studied the demographics of football participation, "that who your dad voted for [in the presidential election] could influence your risk for a very serious [football-related] ailment or injury."

[upprdeck]

At the same time our HS has had far more concussions from soccer than football for many years.

[Trotsky]

the group of people saying they would stop watching for moral reasons seems to have been shouted down

That's never the way these things die, though.  They become segregated communities in which they are wildly popular within and not even reviled but just ignored without.  Boxing.  Cockfighting.  Hell, probably Bear Baiting.  I'm sure someplace in Yakutsk, right now...

[CU2007]

At the same time our HS has had far more concussions from soccer than football for many years.

I read somewhere that girls soccer was the 2nd highest concussion rate, behind football. And I think USA Soccer banned headers until age 15 or so because of it - could be wrong there.  Most were caused by heading the ball without fully developed neck muscles to support the impact on the head.

[Al DeFlorio]

At the same time our HS has had far more concussions from soccer than football for many years.

I read somewhere that girls soccer was the 2nd highest concussion rate, behind football. And I think USA Soccer banned headers until age 15 or so because of it - could be wrong there.  Most were caused by heading the ball without fully developed neck muscles to support the impact on the head.

The collision of your head with the other guy's head isn't such a great thing, either.

[marty]

the group of people saying they would stop watching for moral reasons seems to have been shouted down

That's never the way these things die, though.  They become segregated communities in which they are wildly popular within and not even reviled but just ignored without.  Boxing.  Cockfighting.  Hell, probably Bear Baiting.  I'm sure someplace in Yakutsk, right now...

Cornell is known to have prohibited bear cubs on the gridiron and chickens tied to goalposts in the rink.

[billhoward]

At the same time our HS has had far more concussions from soccer than football for many years.

I read somewhere that girls soccer was the 2nd highest concussion rate, behind football. And I think USA Soccer banned headers until age 15 or so because of it - could be wrong there.  Most were caused by heading the ball without fully developed neck muscles to support the impact on the head.

An emerging body of research says girls/women may need to train differently and be treated differently when injured. They may need different not just downsized protective gear. It's not a the-weaker-sex thing.

[jhib]

Slippery slope and all, but if football goes for that reason, it's only a matter of time before hockey is next.

[Local Motion]

I disagree as football has always been a physical and dangerous game but a lot of fun too.   One of my fraternity brothers at Cornell was ROTC and after graduation was an Navy fighter pilot who served in both gulf wars.   Very dangerous duty flying off an aircraft carrier and doing missions over both Iraq and Afghanistan.   He loved flying in the Navy, but that job was probably far more dangerous than playing football.  We all must remember life in general is a risk and no risk no reward.   Sitting on the sidelines is not always healthy either.   Go Big Red!!!