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[jtwcornell91]

Jeff Hopkins '82 wrote:
And I've said it before, but I'll say it again: "The Stanley Cup does not belong in New Jersey."

Did it belong in Texas?  What if it's a choice between New Jersey and California?  Do you really want to see the Cup on display at Disneyland?

[CUlater]

[Q]"The Stanley Cup does not belong in New Jersey."[/Q]

Well, it has "belonged" there as many times as it has "belonged" in Philly...

[ugarte]

CUlater '89 wrote:

[Q]"The Stanley Cup does not belong in New Jersey."[/Q]

Well, it has "belonged" there as many times as it has "belonged" in Philly...

Even though the Cup predates the NHL, there are only 6 cities in which the Cup "belongs."  Everything else is just a road show.

[jd212]

I guess you didn't see last night's game, which was a sellout. Not to mention that Brodeur makes the highlight reel EVERY TIME he plays, so it's not fair to say he is not called upon to make very many tough saves. Granted, he doesn't make 50 like Giguere does a game, but the Ducks' defense doesn't do much to help him.
Anyway, I would say that a much bigger reason the Devils don't sell out like the Rangers do is because of the fan base. Those tickets are pricey, and it's not beyond comprehension to believe that the fans of the Devils aren't quite as well off as those of the Rangers. Not to mention, how many of the Rangers' tickets go to corporations? Their corporate fan base is huge. The Yankees hardly ever sell out games, and I don't think anyone would argue with the fact that they have one of the biggest fan bases in the country.



Post Edited (05-16-03 10:52)

[jeh25]

Sully '00 wrote:
So lest anyone think I'm a Devils fan, I'm not.  I'm a Bruins fan.  Insert joke here.

If memory serves, you are also a Red Sox fan, eh?

[gtsully]

Well, I might as well just address everything at once - serves me right for neglecting The For*m and doing work: :-}

CUlater '89 wrote:

[Q]...their boring-ass, "score few goals but allow very few" style.[/Q]

The Devils were 14th in the league in scoring this season, i.e. in the top half.  And they are third in goals scored per game in the playoffs thus far.

I didn't realize that they were that high in scoring, but scoring always slows down in the playoffs, and my more specific point (that I didn't really specify...) is that they don't really have any game-breaking offensive players and, thus, don't seem to generate a whole lot of exciting scoring chances.  It seems like they tend to bury the chances they have, but their games are rarely exciting. ::snore::

Jason N '95 wrote:

And some may say that describes Cornell's style under Schafer.

A valid point, but Cornell, especially this year, still has some exciting playmakers, and can hold their own in the offensive zone and pile up the goals.  Not like Colorado College or Minnesota, for example, but, given the conference the play in, the games are still fun to watch and not taking place entirely in the neutral zone.

Jason wrote:

... it's not really a reason to hate a team, sounds more like envy to me....they beat your precious B's. Oh please, Ottawa's some real competition.

Yeah, I suppose my viewpoint is a little skewed by the fact that I don't like the Devils and I do cheer for Cornell, but it's not that I'm purely looking at this thing through Black and Gold colored glasses.  There's plenty of people out there who don't cheer for the Bruins or Rangers who loathe the Devils.

Personally, I always like to cheer for the underdog, and I hate repeat champions (how good was it to see the Lakers lose last night? :-D  :-D  :-D  :-D  :-D ), as long as it's not my team going for the repeat, which hasn't happened since the Pats missed the playoffs last year.

John E Hayes '98 '00 wrote:

Sully '00 wrote:
So lest anyone think I'm a Devils fan, I'm not.  I'm a Bruins fan.  Insert joke here.

If memory serves, you are also a Red Sox fan, eh?

Yup, I pull for every team out here that dosn't play college hockey... :-D

So now when everyone sees the guy with the Cornell jersey and Red Sox hat at games, they'll know it's me, and can make Bruins jokes aplenty after they whiff in the draft, trade Samsonov for a minor league goalie and a washed up defenseman, and go into the season yet again without a starting goalie or a decent second line.  ::yark::

Greg wrote:

[q]I'm a Bruins fan. Insert joke here.[/q]

You already have.  (I don't hate the Bruins, but that was too wicked easy... ;-) )

(Thinking of comeback...)  ::help::

[Jeff Hopkins \'82]

Did it belong in Texas?  Not really, but it was better than Jersey winning it.

Would it be better if I said "The Stanley Cup does not belong in New Jersey or south of the 38th parallel"?  That would exclude: Dallas, LA, The Florida teams, Carolina, Phoenix, Anaheim, San Jose, Nashville, and Atlanta in addition to the Devils.

However, I would see it in Jersey before I'd let Disney and their sanctimonious bunch of puritans anywhere near it.

But at this point, I'm pulling for Ottawa (I've written off Minnesota - they're out of comebacks).

JH

[Al DeFlorio]

 

Jeff Hopkins '82 wrote:

But at this point, I'm pulling for Ottawa (I've written off Minnesota - they're out of comebacks).

JH

Seems bizarre to me that, unless one has a long-standing allegiance to another NHL team, anyone here would root against Joe getting his name on the Cup again.

[Jeff Hopkins \'82]

Al, if it were any other team but the Devils or the Rangers, I'd be pulling hard for Niewy.  Would a Red Sox fan ever root for the Yankees?  Of course not.   That's how Flyers fans feel about the Devils and Rangers.

I was so pissed when he signed with Jersey.  With that move, he became the enemy.

JH

[gtsully]

Jeff Hopkins '82 wrote:

I was so pissed when he signed with Jersey.  With that move, he became the enemy.

JH

He didn't sign there, he was traded with Langenbrunner for Arnott and someone else who I can't remember.

[Mike]

It was Nieuwy and Langenbrunner for Arnott, Randy McKay, and a first round draft pick...

[Greg Berge]

[q]Would a Red Sox fan ever root for the Yankees?[/q]

Sure.  Just like a Cornell fan will root for Harvard in the NCAA's.  Personally, as an Islander fanatic I have no problem at all with the Rangers.  Being a fan of X doesn't necessarily mean you hate X's arch-rival passionately.  The whole "we must hate THEM" is almost always artificially-generated hype to flog more tickets, and it's usually pretty dumb.



Post Edited (05-16-03 16:29)

[Mike]

Gotta disagree with you on that one Greg...

I root for Harvard because it benefits Cornell, not because I like Harvard... Other ECAC teams having success leads to more recognition and respect for the entire conference, which helps Cornell in the long run...

On the other hand, the Islanders, Devils, or Flyers having success in NO WAY benefits the NY Rangers.... I hate those teams because they directly compete with the Rangers, and I see no correlation between the success of those teams and the amount of respect that the Rangers receive...

[Al DeFlorio]

Mike wrote:

...I see no correlation between the success of those teams and the amount of respect that the Rangers receive...

...which is deservedly little these days.

[Greg Berge]

That stuff just doesn't yank my chain, I guess.  The closest it comes is the Braves, but I hate them a lot more for being Team Trailer Trash than for a decade of making the Mets their beatch.



Post Edited (05-16-03 16:55)