2022 Takeaways

[billhoward]

It is now 11 years since the last ECAC title for Cornell. Three titles the last 25 years. Previous worst single gap, 1986-1996, 10 years. The current drought includes three trips to the title game and even Princeton has won more recently than us.

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[b]Year   Years since ECAC title[/b]
1967 --
1968 1 (1=no gap)
1969 1
1970 1
1973 3
1980 7
1986 6
1996 10
1997 1
2003 6
2005 2
2010 5
2022 11

[blackwidow]

It is now 11 years since the last ECAC title for Cornell. Three titles the last 25 years. Previous worst single gap, 1986-1996, 10 years. The current drought includes three trips to the title game and even Princeton has won more recently than us.

Code Select Expand

[b]Year   Years since ECAC title[/b]
1967 --
1968 1 (1=no gap)
1969 1
1970 1
1973 3
1980 7
1986 6
1996 10
1997 1
2003 6
2005 2
2010 5
2022 11

I know everyone here seems to love Schafer but do you think he is to blame for this?

[redice]

It is now 11 years since the last ECAC title for Cornell. Three titles the last 25 years. Previous worst single gap, 1986-1996, 10 years. The current drought includes three trips to the title game and even Princeton has won more recently than us.

Code Select Expand

[b]Year   Years since ECAC title[/b]
1967 --
1968 1 (1=no gap)
1969 1
1970 1
1973 3
1980 7
1986 6
1996 10
1997 1
2003 6
2005 2
2010 5
2022 11

I know everyone here seems to love Schafer but do you think he is to blame for this?

In a word, "No".

[blackwidow]

It is now 11 years since the last ECAC title for Cornell. Three titles the last 25 years. Previous worst single gap, 1986-1996, 10 years. The current drought includes three trips to the title game and even Princeton has won more recently than us.

Code Select Expand

[b]Year   Years since ECAC title[/b]
1967 --
1968 1 (1=no gap)
1969 1
1970 1
1973 3
1980 7
1986 6
1996 10
1997 1
2003 6
2005 2
2010 5
2022 11

I know everyone here seems to love Schafer but do you think he is to blame for this?

In a word, "No".

Curious to know why that is? Especially the fact that no NCAA title since the early 70s is astounding to me

[marty]

It is now 11 years since the last ECAC title for Cornell. Three titles the last 25 years. Previous worst single gap, 1986-1996, 10 years. The current drought includes three trips to the title game and even Princeton has won more recently than us.

Code Select Expand

[b]Year   Years since ECAC title[/b]
1967 --
1968 1 (1=no gap)
1969 1
1970 1
1973 3
1980 7
1986 6
1996 10
1997 1
2003 6
2005 2
2010 5
2022 11

I know everyone here seems to love Schafer but do you think he is to blame for this?

In a word, "No".

Curious to know why that is? Especially the fact that no NCAA title since the early 70s is astounding to me

For the curious.

[billhoward]

I know everyone here seems to love Schafer but do you think he is to blame for this?

More teams and more parity now. Maybe (?) there are now more US players of good quality so they create better second and third lines for the have-less teams of decade ago. Quebec is supposed to be ground zero for great goalies and ours is from Manhattan Beach, California. US outnumbers Canada 9-1 and now there are lots of rinks in California, Arizona, Texas, Florida.

Is it possible there is a generational change that benefits coaches under 40? Some felt Ned Harkness' demeanor, possibly a factor of his generation, was not suited to the pro game where players didn't go in for what they saw as mickey mouse rules. (Although he was 51 when he went to Detroit, which isn't all that old.)

[blackwidow]

I know everyone here seems to love Schafer but do you think he is to blame for this?

More teams and more parity now. Maybe (?) there are now more US players of good quality so they create better second and third lines for the have-less teams of decade ago. Quebec is supposed to be ground zero for great goalies and ours is from Manhattan Beach, California. US outnumbers Canada 9-1 and now there are lots of rinks in California, Arizona, Texas, Florida.

Is it possible there is a generational change that benefits coaches under 40? Some felt Ned Harkness' demeanor, possibly a factor of his generation, was not suited to the pro game where players didn't go in for what they saw as mickey mouse rules. (Although he was 51 when he went to Detroit, which isn't all that old.)

i understand there are more teams and college hockey is getting ever more competitive with Cornell having a disadvantage of not being able to offer athletic scholarships. But given the crap shoot nature of college hockey tournaments, i feel like if a program is somewhat decent, it would just randomly bounce into titles every decade or two...

[redice]

It is now 11 years since the last ECAC title for Cornell. Three titles the last 25 years. Previous worst single gap, 1986-1996, 10 years. The current drought includes three trips to the title game and even Princeton has won more recently than us.

Code Select Expand

[b]Year   Years since ECAC title[/b]
1967 --
1968 1 (1=no gap)
1969 1
1970 1
1973 3
1980 7
1986 6
1996 10
1997 1
2003 6
2005 2
2010 5
2022 11

I know everyone here seems to love Schafer but do you think he is to blame for this?

In a word, "No".

Curious to know why that is? Especially the fact that no NCAA title since the early 70s is astounding to me

Just look at the job he did recovering from the mess that the Ivy League left him (2020-2021).   No titles since the early 70's?    That can be said for most of the Ivy schools.   Has he made the NCAA's often?  Yes.   Moral:  An NCAA title is a long shot for most Ivys.   I'm accepting of this but hope they can do it one more time in my lifetime.   Mike gives them a good chance at that.   And, let's not forget the 2019-2020 team that was in a good position to make a run at a title.

[blackwidow]

It is now 11 years since the last ECAC title for Cornell. Three titles the last 25 years. Previous worst single gap, 1986-1996, 10 years. The current drought includes three trips to the title game and even Princeton has won more recently than us.

Code Select Expand

[b]Year   Years since ECAC title[/b]
1967 --
1968 1 (1=no gap)
1969 1
1970 1
1973 3
1980 7
1986 6
1996 10
1997 1
2003 6
2005 2
2010 5
2022 11

I know everyone here seems to love Schafer but do you think he is to blame for this?

In a word, "No".

Curious to know why that is? Especially the fact that no NCAA title since the early 70s is astounding to me

Just look at the job he did recovering from the mess that the Ivy League left him (2020-2021).   No titles since the early 70's?    That can be said for most of the Ivy schools.   Has he made the NCAA's often?  Yes.   Moral:  An NCAA title is a long shot for most Ivys.   I'm accepting of this but hope they can do it one more time in my lifetime.   Mike gives them a good chance at that.   And, let's not forget the 2019-2020 team that was in a good position to make a run at a title.

Harvard won it in 88 though and Yale won it in 2013 or 14 though. I understand they have the prestige factor but cornell def gets much more support from the school and fanbase. Also, dont we have somewhat of lower admissions standards when it comes to the academic side of things, which give us a greater talent pool to choose from? Also, im always suspiciois of the ECAC teams when they are ranked high in pairwise. That is to say, i wasnt sure if Cornell would have actually made a credible run in 19-20

[Trotsky]

It is now 11 years since the last ECAC title for Cornell. Three titles the last 25 years. Previous worst single gap, 1986-1996, 10 years. The current drought includes three trips to the title game and even Princeton has won more recently than us.

Code Select Expand

[b]Year   Years since ECAC title[/b]
1967 --
1968 1 (1=no gap)
1969 1
1970 1
1973 3
1980 7
1986 6
1996 10
1997 1
2003 6
2005 2
2010 5
2022 11

I know everyone here seems to love Schafer but do you think he is to blame for this?

In a word, "No".

Curious to know why that is? Especially the fact that no NCAA title since the early 70s is astounding to me

< urge to kill rising >

[redice]

It is now 11 years since the last ECAC title for Cornell. Three titles the last 25 years. Previous worst single gap, 1986-1996, 10 years. The current drought includes three trips to the title game and even Princeton has won more recently than us.

Code Select Expand

[b]Year   Years since ECAC title[/b]
1967 --
1968 1 (1=no gap)
1969 1
1970 1
1973 3
1980 7
1986 6
1996 10
1997 1
2003 6
2005 2
2010 5
2022 11

I know everyone here seems to love Schafer but do you think he is to blame for this?

In a word, "No".

Curious to know why that is? Especially the fact that no NCAA title since the early 70s is astounding to me

Just look at the job he did recovering from the mess that the Ivy League left him (2020-2021).   No titles since the early 70's?    That can be said for most of the Ivy schools.   Has he made the NCAA's often?  Yes.   Moral:  An NCAA title is a long shot for most Ivys.   I'm accepting of this but hope they can do it one more time in my lifetime.   Mike gives them a good chance at that.   And, let's not forget the 2019-2020 team that was in a good position to make a run at a title.

Harvard won it in 88 though and Yale won it in 2013 or 14 though. I understand they have the prestige factor but cornell def gets much more support from the school and fanbase. Also, dont we have somewhat of lower admissions standards when it comes to the academic side of things, which give us a greater talent pool to choose from? Also, im always suspiciois of the ECAC teams when they are ranked high in pairwise. That is to say, i wasnt sure if Cornell would have actually made a credible run in 19-20

I believe it was 1989 for Harvard.   If that's the only Ivy League NCAA Champions (I didn't confirm this), that shows, again, that an NCAA championship for an Ivy League school is difficult to accomplish and makes me worry less about CU not winning it all.   To me, the ECAC title is where it's at.   Yes, I know that it's been 11 years since one of those.   But, I still support Mike.

As an aside, when CU was still playing the "slug-it-out" game (while that rest of college hockey was opening the game up), I was one of those who hoped that Mike would leave.   But, to his credit, Mike has changed their playing style and didn't seem to miss a beat.   Another credit for Mike!   I was clearly wrong.

[blackwidow]

It is now 11 years since the last ECAC title for Cornell. Three titles the last 25 years. Previous worst single gap, 1986-1996, 10 years. The current drought includes three trips to the title game and even Princeton has won more recently than us.

Code Select Expand

[b]Year   Years since ECAC title[/b]
1967 --
1968 1 (1=no gap)
1969 1
1970 1
1973 3
1980 7
1986 6
1996 10
1997 1
2003 6
2005 2
2010 5
2022 11

I know everyone here seems to love Schafer but do you think he is to blame for this?

In a word, "No".

Curious to know why that is? Especially the fact that no NCAA title since the early 70s is astounding to me

Just look at the job he did recovering from the mess that the Ivy League left him (2020-2021).   No titles since the early 70's?    That can be said for most of the Ivy schools.   Has he made the NCAA's often?  Yes.   Moral:  An NCAA title is a long shot for most Ivys.   I'm accepting of this but hope they can do it one more time in my lifetime.   Mike gives them a good chance at that.   And, let's not forget the 2019-2020 team that was in a good position to make a run at a title.

Harvard won it in 88 though and Yale won it in 2013 or 14 though. I understand they have the prestige factor but cornell def gets much more support from the school and fanbase. Also, dont we have somewhat of lower admissions standards when it comes to the academic side of things, which give us a greater talent pool to choose from? Also, im always suspiciois of the ECAC teams when they are ranked high in pairwise. That is to say, i wasnt sure if Cornell would have actually made a credible run in 19-20

I believe it was 1989 for Harvard.   If that's the only Ivy League NCAA Champions (I didn't confirm this), that shows, again, that an NCAA championship for an Ivy League school is difficult to accomplish and makes me worry less about CU not winning it all.   To me, the ECAC title is where it's at.   Yes, I know that it's been 11 years since one of those.   But, I still support Mike.

As an aside, when CU was still playing the "slug-it-out" game (while that rest of college hockey was opening the game up), I was one of those who hoped that Mike would leave.   But, to his credit, Mike has changed their playing style and didn't seem to miss a beat.   Another credit for Mike!   I was clearly wrong.

Does the fact that Yale won it in 2013 doesnt change your view on this? That two ivy teams have won the NCAA title...

[upprdeck]

we had solid chances how many times in the last 20-30 yrs.. you have to get there to have a chance. And its hockey here often the better team doesnt win, even the better team in any single game doesnt always win.  

we havent had the highest high that some teams have had, we also dont have the same support from the school some of the other ivies have and we have the worst location.  but we have been on the cusp many times.  A couple got taken by some strange calls on the ice. some we played poorly at the wrong time. some times the other teams  just played better, and recently we were the best team and never go to play at all.

[Dafatone]

For anyone with more time and energy than I have, I wonder what the winning percentage for each team in the conference is for the last 10 or 15 or 20 or so years.

I bet we're first. Maybe Q has us beat over the last 10?

[redice]

It is now 11 years since the last ECAC title for Cornell. Three titles the last 25 years. Previous worst single gap, 1986-1996, 10 years. The current drought includes three trips to the title game and even Princeton has won more recently than us.

Code Select Expand

[b]Year   Years since ECAC title[/b]
1967 --
1968 1 (1=no gap)
1969 1
1970 1
1973 3
1980 7
1986 6
1996 10
1997 1
2003 6
2005 2
2010 5
2022 11

I know everyone here seems to love Schafer but do you think he is to blame for this?

In a word, "No".

Curious to know why that is? Especially the fact that no NCAA title since the early 70s is astounding to me

Just look at the job he did recovering from the mess that the Ivy League left him (2020-2021).   No titles since the early 70's?    That can be said for most of the Ivy schools.   Has he made the NCAA's often?  Yes.   Moral:  An NCAA title is a long shot for most Ivys.   I'm accepting of this but hope they can do it one more time in my lifetime.   Mike gives them a good chance at that.   And, let's not forget the 2019-2020 team that was in a good position to make a run at a title.

Harvard won it in 88 though and Yale won it in 2013 or 14 though. I understand they have the prestige factor but cornell def gets much more support from the school and fanbase. Also, dont we have somewhat of lower admissions standards when it comes to the academic side of things, which give us a greater talent pool to choose from? Also, im always suspiciois of the ECAC teams when they are ranked high in pairwise. That is to say, i wasnt sure if Cornell would have actually made a credible run in 19-20

I believe it was 1989 for Harvard.   If that's the only Ivy League NCAA Champions (I didn't confirm this), that shows, again, that an NCAA championship for an Ivy League school is difficult to accomplish and makes me worry less about CU not winning it all.   To me, the ECAC title is where it's at.   Yes, I know that it's been 11 years since one of those.   But, I still support Mike.

As an aside, when CU was still playing the "slug-it-out" game (while that rest of college hockey was opening the game up), I was one of those who hoped that Mike would leave.   But, to his credit, Mike has changed their playing style and didn't seem to miss a beat.   Another credit for Mike!   I was clearly wrong.

Does the fact that Yale won it in 2013 doesnt change your view on this? That two ivy teams have won the NCAA title...

No, it doesn't...   So Yale & Harvard have won NCAA titles in the past 50 years.    That means roughly 3/4 of the Ivies have not.   Those Nat'l Champ/Ivies were an anomaly.   I'll bet Mike Schafer's Cornell teams have out performed that group of 3/4 Ivy.   Can we please end this discussion?