2022 ECAC Permutations

CU2007 · February 24, 2022, 07:22:03 PM

Quote from: nshapiro
Quote from: CU2007Something to consider. With Qpac about to win tonight, they could lock up the #1 seed on Friday against us. Presumably they could then choose to rest some guys who are "playing hurt" on Saturday vs Colgate with their seed (and spot in the Pairwise) assured. This would not be good news for us.
Q is currently 7 in pairwise. Are you saying that they already are locked in to a #2 seed, and there is no way they can rise to 4th, or fall to 9th?

No

upprdeck · February 24, 2022, 07:39:19 PM

Its more hard to find a way for Cornell to make it close to top 15 and have a shot at the NCAA short of winning the ECAC.

Trotsky · February 25, 2022, 10:05:42 AM

Quote from: Swampy"Police soon managed to trace the calls back to Shea ..."

This used to mean something different when the Wilpons were in charge.

osorojo · February 25, 2022, 11:34:15 AM

Protect your health. Don't get your hopes too high about a Cornell men's ice hockey post-season.

Trotsky · February 25, 2022, 12:31:51 PM

Quote from: osorojoProtect your health. Don't get your hopes too high about a Cornell men's ice hockey post-season.

Swampy · February 25, 2022, 02:07:49 PM

Quote from: Trotsky
Quote from: osorojoProtect your health. Don't get your hopes too high about a Cornell men's ice hockey post-season.

Sing Along

CU2007 · February 25, 2022, 02:45:50 PM

Quote from: upprdeckIts more hard to find a way for Cornell to make it close to top 15 and have a shot at the NCAA short of winning the ECAC.

Yes, seems likely that ship has indeed sailed.

imafrshmn · February 26, 2022, 09:58:49 PM

Quote from: upprdeckIts more hard to find a way for Cornell to make it close to top 15 and have a shot at the NCAA short of winning the ECAC.

All or nothing, baby! We're a dangerous team and we have nothing to lose. LGR!

upprdeck · February 27, 2022, 12:22:20 AM

The ASU games are the ones haunting us right now. flip those 2 games and we are inside the top 15 with a chance.

Trotsky · February 27, 2022, 05:06:37 AM

Quote from: upprdeckThe ASU games are the ones haunting us right now. flip those 2 games and we are inside the top 15 with a chance.

"If it weren't for that second bullet." -- Kennedy

marty · February 27, 2022, 07:47:38 AM

Quote from: upprdeckThe ASU games are the ones haunting us right now. flip those 2 games and we are inside the top 15 with a chance.

Though would Ian Shane have found his way off the pine without those games?

upprdeck · February 27, 2022, 10:34:23 AM

how much would the pairwise change if H2h actually was the main thing for comparing teams that have played each other.. the way it works now you could beat a team 2-3-4 times in a season and lose the PW compare.

nshapiro · February 27, 2022, 10:52:56 AM

Quote from: upprdeckhow much would the pairwise change if H2h actually was the main thing for comparing teams that have played each other.. the way it works now you could beat a team 2-3-4 times in a season and lose the PW compare.

I think if you go 3-0 vs a team, you win the pairwise. look at the H2h for us and NoDak.

Dafatone · February 27, 2022, 11:30:56 AM

Quote from: nshapiro
Quote from: upprdeckhow much would the pairwise change if H2h actually was the main thing for comparing teams that have played each other.. the way it works now you could beat a team 2-3-4 times in a season and lose the PW compare.
I think if you go 3-0 vs a team, you win the pairwise. look at the H2h for us and NoDak.

Yup. I believe each H2H game counts as a pairwise win. Against NoDak, we are 2-0. We also have the common opponents won, and we are behind in RPI, so we are 3-1 overall.

But since RPI is the tiebreaker, we'd lose the comparison to NoDak if they won common opponent. So basically, to win a comparison against a team that beats you in RPI, you need to go 3-0 against them, or go 2-0 and win or tie common opponents, or go 2-1 or 1-0 and win common opponents.

So it's basically RPI. Right now, it looks like there are two spots in the PWR that differ (by 1) from RPI.

If I ruled the world, I'd either just use RPI or treat tied comparisons as ties without a tiebreaker. Why go through all these headaches when RPI rules? Either weaken its stranglehold on the pairwise or just go with it.

Trotsky · February 27, 2022, 01:57:49 PM

Quote from: Dafatone
Quote from: nshapiro
Quote from: upprdeckhow much would the pairwise change if H2h actually was the main thing for comparing teams that have played each other.. the way it works now you could beat a team 2-3-4 times in a season and lose the PW compare.
I think if you go 3-0 vs a team, you win the pairwise. look at the H2h for us and NoDak.

Yup. I believe each H2H game counts as a pairwise win. Against NoDak, we are 2-0. We also have the common opponents won, and we are behind in RPI, so we are 3-1 overall.

But since RPI is the tiebreaker, we'd lose the comparison to NoDak if they won common opponent. So basically, to win a comparison against a team that beats you in RPI, you need to go 3-0 against them, or go 2-0 and win or tie common opponents, or go 2-1 or 1-0 and win common opponents.

So it's basically RPI. Right now, it looks like there are two spots in the PWR that differ (by 1) from RPI.

If I ruled the world, I'd either just use RPI or treat tied comparisons as ties without a tiebreaker. Why go through all these headaches when RPI rules? Either weaken its stranglehold on the pairwise or just go with it.

Well, if I ruled the world, I'd free all my sons.