2022-23 Men's Schedule

[French Rage]

Last years fans were screaming for 2.5 hours and dying of thirst—not even water was permitted.

What was the total number of fatalities?  You can round to the nearest hundred if the exact number if just too high to get right.

"Dying of thirst" is a common English expression and is not meant to be taken literally.

But surely going 2.5 hours without water caused some sort of permanent damage, right?

Let's just shut down sporting events and other forms of entertainment entirely, then, since that doesn't cause some sort of permanent physical damage.

Seems a little extreme when just having masks on also works.

[BearLover]

Last years fans were screaming for 2.5 hours and dying of thirst—not even water was permitted.

What was the total number of fatalities?  You can round to the nearest hundred if the exact number if just too high to get right.

"Dying of thirst" is a common English expression and is not meant to be taken literally.

But surely going 2.5 hours without water caused some sort of permanent damage, right?

Let's just shut down sporting events and other forms of entertainment entirely, then, since that doesn't cause some sort of permanent physical damage.

Seems a little extreme when just having masks on also works.

Works to accomplish what, exactly? What's the goal here? To marginally reduce spread of a virus everyone is going to get anyway?

The fact people aren't getting permanent damage from something is not sufficient justification for that thing. You have to show the benefits outweigh the costs. And in so doing, you have to define what the benefits and the costs are.

Not being able to grab food during intermission is a cost. Being hoarse the next day is a cost. Losing your gig as an employee at the concession stand is a cost. Lost revenue is a cost. None of these things result in "permanent damage," hopefully, but they are costs.

And we must weigh those costs against the "benefit" that comes from people keeping their masks on an additional ~5 minutes per person, over the course of a game.

In my view, that benefit approaches zero. That's partially because the reduced likelihood of Covid spreading over those ~5 minutes is very small, given the guy eating a pretzel is already going to be standing next to/talking to the lady next to him for two hours, which is well enough time for Covid to spread, from one to the other, mask or no mask. But more than that, the trajectory of the virus has made it so that everyone has already gotten it, or will get it, regardless of whether it happens at a Cornell hockey game. Everything else is open with no restrictions. If someone doesn't get Covid from a game at Lynah, they'll get it from traveling, or dinner with friends, or a frat party. Unless all of society acts in cohesion, nothing that Cornell does by itself can stop Covid from spreading. And, even if all of society were to act in cohesion, all this would do is delay the time it takes for people to contract the virus—it would not prevent them from contracting the virus long-term.

That's the world we live in now. People need to accept it and stop trying to project the illusion that this virus can be controlled. We should thank modern medicine for giving us vaccines and therapeutics that significantly reduce severity, and go back to living our lives. Or, at least, Cornell should afford us the option to live our lives, should we so choose.

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

Last years fans were screaming for 2.5 hours and dying of thirst—not even water was permitted.

What was the total number of fatalities?  You can round to the nearest hundred if the exact number if just too high to get right.

"Dying of thirst" is a common English expression and is not meant to be taken literally.

But surely going 2.5 hours without water caused some sort of permanent damage, right?

Let's just shut down sporting events and other forms of entertainment entirely, then, since that doesn't cause some sort of permanent physical damage.

Seems a little extreme when just having masks on also works.

Works to accomplish what, exactly? What's the goal here? To marginally reduce spread of a virus everyone is going to get anyway?

The fact people aren't getting permanent damage from something is not sufficient justification for that thing. You have to show the benefits outweigh the costs. And in so doing, you have to define what the benefits and the costs are.

Not being able to grab food during intermission is a cost. Being hoarse the next day is a cost. Losing your gig as an employee at the concession stand is a cost. Lost revenue is a cost. None of these things result in "permanent damage," hopefully, but they are costs.

And we must weigh those costs against the "benefit" that comes from people keeping their masks on an additional ~5 minutes per person, over the course of a game.

In my view, that benefit approaches zero. That's partially because the reduced likelihood of Covid spreading over those ~5 minutes is very small, given the guy eating a pretzel is already going to be standing next to/talking to the lady next to him for two hours, which is well enough time for Covid to spread, from one to the other, mask or no mask. But more than that, the trajectory of the virus has made it so that everyone has already gotten it, or will get it, regardless of whether it happens at a Cornell hockey game. Everything else is open with no restrictions. If someone doesn't get Covid from a game at Lynah, they'll get it from traveling, or dinner with friends, or a frat party. Unless all of society acts in cohesion, nothing that Cornell does by itself can stop Covid from spreading. And, even if all of society were to act in cohesion, all this would do is delay the time it takes for people to contract the virus—it would not prevent them from contracting the virus long-term.

That's the world we live in now. People need to accept it and stop trying to project the illusion that this virus can be controlled. We should thank modern medicine for giving us vaccines and therapeutics that significantly reduce severity, and go back to living our lives. Or, at least, Cornell should afford us the option to live our lives, should we so choose.

To add, with the current variants, if you're vaccinated and boosted the severity is generally not high.  If you're not, then the risk is higher.  But if you're not vaccinated and boosted by now, you clearly don't care about your risk. Of course there are exceptions, but that's the general situation.

So all of these current measures are trying to protect people who don't want to be protected anyway. They've made their choice. So I agree, let's move on.

[dag14]

Umm, hockey schedule updates anyone?

[DisplacedCornellian]

Umm, hockey schedule updates anyone?

Didn't notice January 14 @ BU on the list...that could be fun.

Tough start to the year though.  4 out of the first 6 games at UMD, QU and Clarkson has the potential to be ROUGH.

[CU2007]

Last years fans were screaming for 2.5 hours and dying of thirst—not even water was permitted.

What was the total number of fatalities?  You can round to the nearest hundred if the exact number if just too high to get right.

"Dying of thirst" is a common English expression and is not meant to be taken literally.

But surely going 2.5 hours without water caused some sort of permanent damage, right?

Let's just shut down sporting events and other forms of entertainment entirely, then, since that doesn't cause some sort of permanent physical damage.

Seems a little extreme when just having masks on also works.

Works to accomplish what, exactly? What's the goal here? To marginally reduce spread of a virus everyone is going to get anyway?

The fact people aren't getting permanent damage from something is not sufficient justification for that thing. You have to show the benefits outweigh the costs. And in so doing, you have to define what the benefits and the costs are.

Not being able to grab food during intermission is a cost. Being hoarse the next day is a cost. Losing your gig as an employee at the concession stand is a cost. Lost revenue is a cost. None of these things result in "permanent damage," hopefully, but they are costs.

And we must weigh those costs against the "benefit" that comes from people keeping their masks on an additional ~5 minutes per person, over the course of a game.

In my view, that benefit approaches zero. That's partially because the reduced likelihood of Covid spreading over those ~5 minutes is very small, given the guy eating a pretzel is already going to be standing next to/talking to the lady next to him for two hours, which is well enough time for Covid to spread, from one to the other, mask or no mask. But more than that, the trajectory of the virus has made it so that everyone has already gotten it, or will get it, regardless of whether it happens at a Cornell hockey game. Everything else is open with no restrictions. If someone doesn't get Covid from a game at Lynah, they'll get it from traveling, or dinner with friends, or a frat party. Unless all of society acts in cohesion, nothing that Cornell does by itself can stop Covid from spreading. And, even if all of society were to act in cohesion, all this would do is delay the time it takes for people to contract the virus—it would not prevent them from contracting the virus long-term.

That's the world we live in now. People need to accept it and stop trying to project the illusion that this virus can be controlled. We should thank modern medicine for giving us vaccines and therapeutics that significantly reduce severity, and go back to living our lives. Or, at least, Cornell should afford us the option to live our lives, should we so choose.

Bang. Louder for the people in the back.

[French Rage]

Yes, we need to consider a lot of important things when these decisions are made.  As you point out, the economic impact to vendors and others at the game whose livelihood depends on the purchase of food or drink is something we should very much keep in mind as they are heavily impacted.  And the presence and effectiveness of masks, and what marginal impact they have on a campus where there is already plenty of social interaction outside of a hockey game, is also worthy of consideration.

Far far far down on the list is you have to go a whopping 2.5 hours without food or drink.

[Chris 02]

Umm, hockey schedule updates anyone?

Looks like it's officially released.

https://cornellbigred.com/sports/mens-ice-hockey/schedule

[ugarte]

still no opponent for MSG? weird.

[RichH]

still no opponent for MSG? weird.

It's the Red/White scrimmage.

We'll still buy tickets.

[jtwcornell91]

Last years fans were screaming for 2.5 hours and dying of thirst—not even water was permitted.

What was the total number of fatalities?  You can round to the nearest hundred if the exact number if just too high to get right.

"Dying of thirst" is a common English expression and is not meant to be taken literally.

Don't you mean "dying with thirst"?

[jtwcornell91]

Didn't notice January 14 @ BU on the list...that could be fun.

Cool.  We haven't played them in Boston since they opened Agganis.

[Weder]

Didn't notice January 14 @ BU on the list...that could be fun.

Cool.  We haven't played them in Boston since they opened Agganis.

So I wonder if this is the start of the long-discussed plan to play at Agganis/Lynah in non-MSG years.

[jtwcornell91]

Didn't notice January 14 @ BU on the list...that could be fun.

Cool.  We haven't played them in Boston since they opened Agganis.

So I wonder if this is the start of the long-discussed plan to play at Agganis/Lynah in non-MSG years.

That would be awesome.  The MSG game is great, but it's been 20 years since we played BU on either campus.  And those last two series at Walter Brown in 2001 and Lynah in 2002 were legendary.

[Trotsky]

Didn't notice January 14 @ BU on the list...that could be fun.

Cool.  We haven't played them in Boston since they opened Agganis.

So I wonder if this is the start of the long-discussed plan to play at Agganis/Lynah in non-MSG years.

That would be awesome.  The MSG game is great, but it's been 20 years since we played BU on either campus.  And those last two series at Walter Brown in 2001 and Lynah in 2002 were legendary.

That would get my old ass back to Boston.