Red Hot Hockey "Presale"

[marty]

Personally, I'd rather see us play teams from outside our league, since I've seen us play Yale plenty of time over the years. But I realize that there aren't a lot of potential opponents who have as many alumni in the NY area as the Ivies.

Exactly. I felt the same, us playing Harvard at MSG Thanksgiving 2018 (and losing). We're already playing Harvard twice, with decent odds of seeing them in the ECACs as well. The right team to play in even years (BU is odd) is a non-ECAC team with a large metro-New York alumni / student base; BC, Penn State, maybe UMass-Amherst, Michigan, Ohio State, maybe Michigan State, maybe UConn in 10 years, marginally maybe Maine, UNH, Vermont.

Playing any school with a football culture (PSU, OSU, Michigan) is going to backfire because it's arguably the biggest Saturday of the college football season.

What was the attendance when we beat Michigan at MSG in 2012?

[LGR14]

Personally, I'd rather see us play teams from outside our league, since I've seen us play Yale plenty of time over the years. But I realize that there aren't a lot of potential opponents who have as many alumni in the NY area as the Ivies.

Exactly. I felt the same, us playing Harvard at MSG Thanksgiving 2018 (and losing). We're already playing Harvard twice, with decent odds of seeing them in the ECACs as well. The right team to play in even years (BU is odd) is a non-ECAC team with a large metro-New York alumni / student base; BC, Penn State, maybe UMass-Amherst, Michigan, Ohio State, maybe Michigan State, maybe UConn in 10 years, marginally maybe Maine, UNH, Vermont.

Playing any school with a football culture (PSU, OSU, Michigan) is going to backfire because it's arguably the biggest Saturday of the college football season.

What was the attendance when we beat Michigan at MSG in 2012?

Michigan played an away game at noon.  So I'll amend to say that if they can book a football school with an away game early in the day, go for it.

I can only speak anecdotally, but everyone I know from Penn State made the trip to Happy Valley that year instead of MSG.  I don't think the result would be different any other year that there's a home game, unless you move the game to Wells Fargo perhaps.

That said, PSU was in its infancy at the time, so maybe current students would be more inclined.  But picking a "football is king" school on a big Saturday football weekend seems weird to me.

[billhoward]

... picking a "football is king" school on a big Saturday football weekend seems weird to me.

"Football is king" school is a proxy also for a large school. But one with enough metro-NYC alumni to buy 6,000 seats (one third of the arena). So Michigan would be better than Michigan State. Penn State better than Minnesota. Either the "big football school" has proximity to NYC (Penn State) or it has better than average academics and lures NY-area students (Michigan again, Wisconsin, too bad Northwestern doesn't play D1 hockey). If there's a Big 10 football game leading into the hockey game, maybe their alumni association sets up a viewing party near the Garden.

By the way, who's heard if there is a 2022 Frozen Apple game on tap?

[ugarte]

Personally, I'd rather see us play teams from outside our league, since I've seen us play Yale plenty of time over the years. But I realize that there aren't a lot of potential opponents who have as many alumni in the NY area as the Ivies.

Exactly. I felt the same, us playing Harvard at MSG Thanksgiving 2018 (and losing). We're already playing Harvard twice, with decent odds of seeing them in the ECACs as well. The right team to play in even years (BU is odd) is a non-ECAC team with a large metro-New York alumni / student base; BC, Penn State, maybe UMass-Amherst, Michigan, Ohio State, maybe Michigan State, maybe UConn in 10 years, marginally maybe Maine, UNH, Vermont.

Playing any school with a football culture (PSU, OSU, Michigan) is going to backfire because it's arguably the biggest Saturday of the college football season.

What was the attendance when we beat Michigan at MSG in 2012?

Michigan played an away game at noon.  So I'll amend to say that if they can book a football school with an away game early in the day, go for it.

I can only speak anecdotally, but everyone I know from Penn State made the trip to Happy Valley that year instead of MSG.  I don't think the result would be different any other year that there's a home game, unless you move the game to Wells Fargo perhaps.

That said, PSU was in its infancy at the time, so maybe current students would be more inclined.  But picking a "football is king" school on a big Saturday football weekend seems weird to me.

i will tell you that penn state sold their tickets to MSG. for a fledgling program that hadn't learned to play defense, they traveled (or, more likely, were locals). even though it's a big football day, I think BIG teams are a good choice if we can't get, say, BC or Notre Dame.

[LGR14]

Personally, I'd rather see us play teams from outside our league, since I've seen us play Yale plenty of time over the years. But I realize that there aren't a lot of potential opponents who have as many alumni in the NY area as the Ivies.

Exactly. I felt the same, us playing Harvard at MSG Thanksgiving 2018 (and losing). We're already playing Harvard twice, with decent odds of seeing them in the ECACs as well. The right team to play in even years (BU is odd) is a non-ECAC team with a large metro-New York alumni / student base; BC, Penn State, maybe UMass-Amherst, Michigan, Ohio State, maybe Michigan State, maybe UConn in 10 years, marginally maybe Maine, UNH, Vermont.

Playing any school with a football culture (PSU, OSU, Michigan) is going to backfire because it's arguably the biggest Saturday of the college football season.

What was the attendance when we beat Michigan at MSG in 2012?

Michigan played an away game at noon.  So I'll amend to say that if they can book a football school with an away game early in the day, go for it.

I can only speak anecdotally, but everyone I know from Penn State made the trip to Happy Valley that year instead of MSG.  I don't think the result would be different any other year that there's a home game, unless you move the game to Wells Fargo perhaps.

That said, PSU was in its infancy at the time, so maybe current students would be more inclined.  But picking a "football is king" school on a big Saturday football weekend seems weird to me.

i will tell you that penn state sold their tickets to MSG. for a fledgling program that hadn't learned to play defense, they traveled (or, more likely, were locals). even though it's a big football day, I think BIG teams are a good choice if we can't get, say, BC or Notre Dame.

Pages 8 and 9 of the thread from back then suggest otherwise http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,196166,page=8

[Iceberg]

Penn State alumni attendance would be huge if there were a game in Philadelphia. This city is saturated with their alumni and their hockey team's game against Princeton in 2018 at the arena drew well with at least 90% of the crowd (8490 purported attendance) being pro Penn State. I'm sure it would be more balanced if it were Cornell instead of Princeton.

[Trotsky]

North Dakota would seem to fit the bill. Although not a lot of alums in the NY area (presumably), I imagine they would travel in large numbers to NYC for a Thanksgiving weekend.

I don't agree.  People spend Thanksgiving with their families.  Without people in the area nobody comes.

[marty]

North Dakota would seem to fit the bill. Although not a lot of alums in the NY area (presumably), I imagine they would travel in large numbers to NYC for a Thanksgiving weekend.

I don't agree.  People spend Thanksgiving with their families.  Without people in the area nobody comes.

Yes. I'd love to see a Cornell game at MSG, but unless my family weekend moves to the NYC area it won't happen.  Saturday morning is reserved for tree cutting.  And although one of those $30 trees is headed to Harlem it doesn't make the trip until Sunday afternoon.

[billhoward]

What was the attendance when we beat Michigan at MSG in 2012?

Attendance was 18,200 in an arena seating 18,006 for hockey. Cornell, 5-1. Box score: https://collegehockeyinc.com/stats/boxes13.php?mcormic1.n24

I believe that speaks to the number of Michigan alumni and undergrads living in the metro New York area.

[Iceberg]

There have always been a ton of Michigan alumni in NYC and the school is fairly well-represented in the northeast corridor. It's probably the school with the most alumni outside of the state of New York as far as presence in the city.

[Trotsky]

Based on this, NYC alumni of B1G(GEST LOSER) hockey schools (in thousands):

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40 Pedo State
25 Michigan
13 Wisconsin
 9 Ohio State
 8 Michigan State
 6 Minnesota


[ugarte]

Personally, I'd rather see us play teams from outside our league, since I've seen us play Yale plenty of time over the years. But I realize that there aren't a lot of potential opponents who have as many alumni in the NY area as the Ivies.

Exactly. I felt the same, us playing Harvard at MSG Thanksgiving 2018 (and losing). We're already playing Harvard twice, with decent odds of seeing them in the ECACs as well. The right team to play in even years (BU is odd) is a non-ECAC team with a large metro-New York alumni / student base; BC, Penn State, maybe UMass-Amherst, Michigan, Ohio State, maybe Michigan State, maybe UConn in 10 years, marginally maybe Maine, UNH, Vermont.

Playing any school with a football culture (PSU, OSU, Michigan) is going to backfire because it's arguably the biggest Saturday of the college football season.

What was the attendance when we beat Michigan at MSG in 2012?

Michigan played an away game at noon.  So I'll amend to say that if they can book a football school with an away game early in the day, go for it.

I can only speak anecdotally, but everyone I know from Penn State made the trip to Happy Valley that year instead of MSG.  I don't think the result would be different any other year that there's a home game, unless you move the game to Wells Fargo perhaps.

That said, PSU was in its infancy at the time, so maybe current students would be more inclined.  But picking a "football is king" school on a big Saturday football weekend seems weird to me.

i will tell you that penn state sold their tickets to MSG. for a fledgling program that hadn't learned to play defense, they traveled (or, more likely, were locals). even though it's a big football day, I think BIG teams are a good choice if we can't get, say, BC or Notre Dame.

Pages 8 and 9 of the thread from back then suggest otherwise http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,196166,page=8

looks like ~15K

[LGR14]

Personally, I'd rather see us play teams from outside our league, since I've seen us play Yale plenty of time over the years. But I realize that there aren't a lot of potential opponents who have as many alumni in the NY area as the Ivies.

Exactly. I felt the same, us playing Harvard at MSG Thanksgiving 2018 (and losing). We're already playing Harvard twice, with decent odds of seeing them in the ECACs as well. The right team to play in even years (BU is odd) is a non-ECAC team with a large metro-New York alumni / student base; BC, Penn State, maybe UMass-Amherst, Michigan, Ohio State, maybe Michigan State, maybe UConn in 10 years, marginally maybe Maine, UNH, Vermont.

Playing any school with a football culture (PSU, OSU, Michigan) is going to backfire because it's arguably the biggest Saturday of the college football season.

What was the attendance when we beat Michigan at MSG in 2012?

Michigan played an away game at noon.  So I'll amend to say that if they can book a football school with an away game early in the day, go for it.

I can only speak anecdotally, but everyone I know from Penn State made the trip to Happy Valley that year instead of MSG.  I don't think the result would be different any other year that there's a home game, unless you move the game to Wells Fargo perhaps.

That said, PSU was in its infancy at the time, so maybe current students would be more inclined.  But picking a "football is king" school on a big Saturday football weekend seems weird to me.

i will tell you that penn state sold their tickets to MSG. for a fledgling program that hadn't learned to play defense, they traveled (or, more likely, were locals). even though it's a big football day, I think BIG teams are a good choice if we can't get, say, BC or Notre Dame.

Pages 8 and 9 of the thread from back then suggest otherwise http://elf.elynah.com/read.php?1,196166,page=8

looks like ~15K

Right, but how many Cornell?

I think a B1G school can work, but it has to be under the right circumstances (which were present the Michigan year).

[adamw]

North Dakota would seem to fit the bill. Although not a lot of alums in the NY area (presumably), I imagine they would travel in large numbers to NYC for a Thanksgiving weekend.

I don't agree.  People spend Thanksgiving with their families.  Without people in the area nobody comes.

Clearly you have never met North Dakota fans

18,000 of them showed up in Nashville. Yes, not Thanksgiving weekend - but you only need 5000 of them for MSG.

There was also about 12,000 of them in MSG for the game against Boston College a couple years ago.

[scoop85]

North Dakota would seem to fit the bill. Although not a lot of alums in the NY area (presumably), I imagine they would travel in large numbers to NYC for a Thanksgiving weekend.

I don't agree.  People spend Thanksgiving with their families.  Without people in the area nobody comes.

Clearly you have never met North Dakota fans

18,000 of them showed up in Nashville. Yes, not Thanksgiving weekend - but you only need 5000 of them for MSG.

There was also about 12,000 of them in MSG for the game against Boston College a couple years ago.

Yes, they are a different breed, which is why I thought they would be a good choice even Thanksgiving weekend.