Alumni in the Pros 2021-2022

[BearLover]

ncaa just voted down a request from the Ivies to give everyone the extra yr they lost.  I dont think the grad think is more than just the 1 yr exception though.

What does this mean in practice?

[upprdeck]

they only gave the yr to teams that played the 21 season.. since the ivies sat out none of those kids get that year back now unless they were a 5th yr  grad and went and played somewhere else i guess.

[Trotsky]

they only gave the yr to teams that played the 21 season.. since the ivies sat out none of those kids get that year back now unless they were a 5th yr  grad and went and played somewhere else i guess.

Ivies: "We don't have to endanger our players' lives."

NC$$: "Well I do.  So fuck them and fuck you too."

[cbuckser]

they only gave the yr to teams that played the 21 season.. since the ivies sat out none of those kids get that year back now unless they were a 5th yr  grad and went and played somewhere else i guess.

Ivies: "We don't have to endanger our players' lives."

NC$$: "Well I do.  So fuck them and fuck you too."

To be fair, the purpose of the NCAA not counting 2020-21 as a year of eligibility was designed to encourage schools to compete during that year despite the uncertainty of whether teams could play anything close to a regular schedule. Without the exception, programs might have been reluctant to risk wasting a year of student-athletes' eligibility on what could have become an aborted season.

In the short term it worked. Most institutions participated in athletics during the 2020-21 season, and the decision to compete didn't cause a public-health disaster.

However, for the next few years we will feel the ripple effects of the exemption.

[BearLover]

they only gave the yr to teams that played the 21 season.. since the ivies sat out none of those kids get that year back now unless they were a 5th yr  grad and went and played somewhere else i guess.

But my question is—what does this mean in practice? At other schools, the kids are all getting five years of eligibility. Does this mean the kids who enrolled at the Ivies during 2020-21 don't get that extra fifth year? Or they don't even get four years?

[BearLover]

they only gave the yr to teams that played the 21 season.. since the ivies sat out none of those kids get that year back now unless they were a 5th yr  grad and went and played somewhere else i guess.

Ivies: "We don't have to endanger our players' lives."

NC$$: "Well I do.  So fuck them and fuck you too."

The players' lives were certainly not endangered by having to play in 2020-21. To the extent anyone's life was endangered, that player could have taken a leave of absence.

[nshapiro]

they only gave the yr to teams that played the 21 season.. since the ivies sat out none of those kids get that year back now unless they were a 5th yr  grad and went and played somewhere else i guess.

Ivies: "We don't have to endanger our players' lives."

NC$$: "Well I do.  So fuck them and fuck you too."

Exactly!
When Duke cancelled their lax season because of the rape scandal, the NCAA gave those kids an extra year of eligibility, even though they had already played half of a season.
I think there is an element in the NCAAs that particularly enjoys saying "Fuck You Ivies"

[Weder]

they only gave the yr to teams that played the 21 season.. since the ivies sat out none of those kids get that year back now unless they were a 5th yr  grad and went and played somewhere else i guess.

But my question is—what does this mean in practice? At other schools, the kids are all getting five years of eligibility. Does this mean the kids who enrolled at the Ivies during 2020-21 don't get that extra fifth year? Or they don't even get four years?

It's the fifth year they're not getting. So for example, Carlie Littlefield played 3 seasons at Princeton, didn't compete in 2020-21, then played at North Carolina this past season for 4 seasons of actual competition, but the NCAA is counting 2021-22 as her fifth year of eligibility.
https://chapelboro.com/sports/ncaa-denies-carlie-littlefields-waiver-appeal-unc-loses-starting-point-guard

[BearLover]

they only gave the yr to teams that played the 21 season.. since the ivies sat out none of those kids get that year back now unless they were a 5th yr  grad and went and played somewhere else i guess.

But my question is—what does this mean in practice? At other schools, the kids are all getting five years of eligibility. Does this mean the kids who enrolled at the Ivies during 2020-21 don't get that extra fifth year? Or they don't even get four years?

It's the fifth year they're not getting. So for example, Carlie Littlefield played 3 seasons at Princeton, didn't compete in 2020-21, then played at North Carolina this past season for 4 seasons of actual competition, but the NCAA is counting 2021-22 as her fifth year of eligibility.
https://chapelboro.com/sports/ncaa-denies-carlie-littlefields-waiver-appeal-unc-loses-starting-point-guard

Thanks. So this vote does not actually hurt the Ivy League schools, which don't permit fifth year players (grad students) anyway. It does hurt Ivy players who would like to play a fifth year at another school.

[upprdeck]

you still get 5 yrs.. you just dont get 5 yrs as a grad at the ivies. anyone who missed the yr at an ivy still can play that 5th yr somewhere else.. what it does mean is that an ivy kid doesnt get that yr as a do over yr.  its 5 to play 4 unless you played yr that then its 5 to play 5.

So the reality is the ivy kids didnt really lose anything in that way, they just didnt gain the extra yr like some did and they cant easily use it at their own school.

[BearLover]

you still get 5 yrs.. you just dont get 5 yrs as a grad at the ivies. anyone who missed the yr at an ivy still can play that 5th yr somewhere else.. what it does mean is that an ivy kid doesnt get that yr as a do over yr.  its 5 to play 4 unless you played yr that then its 5 to play 5.

So the reality is the ivy kids didnt really lose anything in that way, they just didnt gain the extra yr like some did and they cant easily use it at their own school.

My understanding from Weder's example/explanation is that essentially 2020-21 did not count towards the four years of eligibility, whether you are an Ivy or non-Ivy player. So, everyone, even the Ivy players, gets four years of eligibility excluding 2020-21. The difference is that the Ivy players did not get to play in 2020-21 on top of their other four years of eligibility, while basically everyone else did (which in effect gives the non-Ivy players five years of eligibility).

The grad transfer issue is separate. The Ivies do not allow graduate students to play, period. There was a one-time exemption to this rule, for 2021-22. That exemption has not been and will not be extended. But the NCAA vote at issue does not have anything to do with grad transfers. (Unless I'm misunderstanding something.)

The NCAA vote also means that our class of 2021 has no eligibility remaining. This is the case whether they played a fourth year at Cornell (Betts, Haiskanen, Locke), or elsewhere (Donaldson, Galajda). Regush and Leahy have one year of eligibility remaining (so does Andreev).

[jtwcornell91]

We don't have an "opponents' alumni in the pros" section, but I thought I'd put this here.  Adam Mitchell, Colgate '05, just announced his retirement after 17 seasons playing professional hockey in Germany.  He just won the DEL2 championship with Löwen Frankfurt, which he captained from 2018-2021 (which is why I know about his activities; his name and number are on my replica jersey), earning them promotion into the DEL (Deutsche Eishockey Liga).  He was previously on the Hannover Scorpions (yes, named after the band), winning the DEL title in 2010, and also played in Landsberg, Mannheim, Hamburg, and Straubing.  I believe I read somewhere that he'll be moving to a coaching position with Bad Nauenheim in the DEL2.

There's a nice interview at https://www.loewen-frankfurt.de/nc/saison/aktuelles/detail/routinier-adam-mitchell-beendet-seine-karriere/ which says, loosely translated,

I came to Germany 17 years ago, with the plan to just play hockey for a few years and travel a bit through Europe, and then afterwards find another job in Canada.  Fortunately it didn't turn out that way!  Here I met a wonderful woman, learned Germany, had two lovely little girls, and acquired German citizenship.  Germany has become our home, although all that was actually not my Plan A.

Four years ago, my family and I came to Frankfurt, with the single great goal of promotion into the DEL.  Now I can hang up my skates with a smile and a tear in my eye, because we've finally done it!

I give thanks out the depths of my heart to my family, all of my teammates, the coaches, trainers, staff and fans for their support and friendship in the last few years.  I'm now looking forward to the next challenges that my life will bring!

A bit of backstory on why the promotion is such a big deal: the Frankfurt Lions were a founding member of the DEL in 1994, and won the championship in 2004, but went bankrupt in 2010, and the reformed Löwen Frankfurt had to start over in the lower divisions, and have been working and playing their way up for the last twelve years.  The Löwen won the DEL2 title in 2017, but the DEL and DEL2 only reestablished promotion and relegation 2019.  The Löwen won the regular season in 2020 before the playoffs were cancelled, so this was their second chance to win promotion after the Bietigheim Steelers took the title in 2021.  (Frankfurter ice hockey fans are still holding their breath, since the DEL has to approve the promotion/license paperwork the club just submitted, and the financial situation took a hit this year when the Löwen dropped the Russian bank VTB as their biggest sponsor.)

https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/15105/adam-mitchell

[RichH]

He was previously on the Hannover Scorpions (yes, named after the band), winning the DEL title in 2010,

They skate out to "Rock You Like A Hurricane," right??

[jtwcornell91]

He was previously on the Hannover Scorpions (yes, named after the band), winning the DEL title in 2010,

They skate out to "Rock You Like A Hurricane," right??

I hope so, but I never managed to see either the Scorpions or the Indians play in the year I was in Hannover, since we had a two-year-old keeping us occupied.

[jts15]

Some speculation about Cam Abbott being considered for the Red Wings coaching job:

Swedish coaches Rikard Grönborg of Swiss club Zurirch and Roger Rönnberg of Frölunda have been mentioned in speculation regarding the Detroit job. Canadian Cam Abbott, who coaches Rögle in Sweden, is another who has been connected to Red Wings coaching rumors.

https://detroithockeynow.com/2022/05/10/lidstrom-wont-rule-out-european-coach-for-red-wings/