Cornell Football 2021

[Robb]

https://www.sportsbetting.ag/sportsbook/futures-and-props/ncaaf-specials site lays odds on football coaches being fired (lower +number is higher odds of it happening) and our Mr. Archer is not among them. Most likely to depart is Dan Mullen from Florida; Dino Babers of Syracuse also makes the top 10. I suspect the bookies only track NCAA Division (Serious) I.

Meaningless list as it only pertains to FBS schools.  Archer has belonged on a "to be fired" list years ago, and finishing with at best a 3-7 record this year, and an Ivy League record of 8 straight losing seasons by the same coach, says as much.

if Archer were not on a similar list for FCS schools, it could only be seen as a statement that the oddsmakers are as cynical as we are about our AD (department or director, take your pick) having the stones to make the move.

[billhoward]

He's Jan16? Sounds like a South American revolutionary holiday: The Glorious Rising Of The Peasants And The Burros Day.

[billhoward]

Andy Noel's legacy may well be setting the framework for the move of Cornell athletics a) farther from main campus and b) onto more spacious fields (but with only 50-100 parking spaces?).

[Ken711]

He's Jan16? Sounds like a South American revolutionary holiday: The Glorious Rising Of The Peasants And The Burros Day.

Jan16 is also Andy.noel@cornell.edu btw.

[Ken711]

https://www.sportsbetting.ag/sportsbook/futures-and-props/ncaaf-specials site lays odds on football coaches being fired (lower +number is higher odds of it happening) and our Mr. Archer is not among them. Most likely to depart is Dan Mullen from Florida; Dino Babers of Syracuse also makes the top 10. I suspect the bookies only track NCAA Division (Serious) I.

Meaningless list as it only pertains to FBS schools.  Archer has belonged on a "to be fired" list years ago, and finishing with at best a 3-7 record this year, and an Ivy League record of 8 straight losing seasons by the same coach, says as much.

if Archer were not on a similar list for FCS schools, it could only be seen as a statement that the oddsmakers are as cynical as we are about our AD (department or director, take your pick) having the stones to make the move.

I agree. On the basis of his record alone, he should have been replaced after 5 years.  Is firing a Cornell alumnus that difficult or does Archer hold some incriminating evidence on the athletic department. ::whistle::

[Trotsky]

Is firing a Cornell alumnus that difficult or does Archer hold some incriminating evidence on the athletic department. ::whistle::

Maybe it just comes down to Archer being a popular guy among the donors.  I'd think the instant the tap shuts off he's done.  There must be a reason the type of old fart who still supports Cornell football likes the guy.

[billhoward]

Maybe it just comes down to Archer being a popular guy among the donors.  I'd think the instant the tap shuts off he's done.  There must be a reason the type of old fart who still supports Cornell football likes the guy.

Annoying a school's football alumni association, many of them supporters of the sport as well as sources of summer internships that don't pay minimum wage, is a bad thing for a coach's longevity.  

Weren't we ready to throw Brian Earl to the wolves after dropping from almost .500 to 7-20 in 2019-2020 ... and now he had Cornell on a 4-0 start plus a good loss to Penn State.

[Ken711]

Maybe it just comes down to Archer being a popular guy among the donors.  I'd think the instant the tap shuts off he's done.  There must be a reason the type of old fart who still supports Cornell football likes the guy.

Annoying a school's football alumni association, many of them supporters of the sport as well as sources of summer internships that don't pay minimum wage, is a bad thing for a coach's longevity.  

Weren't we ready to throw Brian Earl to the wolves after dropping from almost .500 to 7-20 in 2019-2020 ... and now he had Cornell on a 4-0 start plus a good loss to Penn State.

Ummm...Earl is in his 6th season and had a .500 season in only his 3rd season.  Archer is in his 9th season and has failed to even reach .500 in any of his seasons!  Archer's career .262  winning percentage is beyond awful.  David Archer has to go.

[CAS]

Football alums are not happy with the current state of the program.  The Cornell Football Association disbanded a couple of years ago.  On the CFA website, the Chairman wrote "Results matter!"

[Trotsky]

I have heard that Football Fan still gives Cornell way more money than Hockey Fan, as difficult as that it to comprehend after 55 years of hockey success and football ineptitude.

That's gonna end sometime, and if the demographic is 70+ that sometime is really soon.

[upprdeck]

I have heard that Football Fan still gives Cornell way more money than Hockey Fan, as difficult as that it to comprehend after 55 years of hockey success and football ineptitude.

That's gonna end sometime, and if the demographic is 70+ that sometime is really soon.

crowds are about equal for the 2 sports n04 but when fball is good they get 4-5x as many people. fball still a much larger sports base and boosters follow their sport most likely.

[Weder]

I have heard that Football Fan still gives Cornell way more money than Hockey Fan, as difficult as that it to comprehend after 55 years of hockey success and football ineptitude.

That's gonna end sometime, and if the demographic is 70+ that sometime is really soon.

Here's a one-day snapshot of how all the sports teams did on the university's annual giving day this spring: https://givingday.cornell.edu/leaderboards/bigred

Men's hockey raised $64K from 189 donations and football got $54K from 98 donations.

I don't have the emails from Andy Noel anymore, but IIRC the football team fell significantly short of its goal for 2020-21. (The football team has a much larger goal than any other team.) I think men's hockey was right on its goal of maybe $150K or $200K?

I'm not sure if that represents the full scope of donations to the athletics department.

[Rita]

NY Giants fired OC Jason Garrett today. Jason *is* familiar with IVY League footbal and after dealing with the whims / control of Jerry Jones and then the NY city media, maybe he needs a sabbatical of sorts.  Come to idyllic Ithaca, re-group and help a horrible program. Maybe?

[billhoward]

NY Giants fired OC Jason Garrett today. Jason *is* familiar with IVY League footbal and after dealing with the whims / control of Jerry Jones and then the NY city media, maybe he needs a sabbatical of sorts.  Come to idyllic Ithaca, re-group and help a horrible program. Maybe?

Be a good choice to take over the reins at Princeton if current coach Bob Surace (also a Princeton alum) was screwing up by the numbers and Garrett wanted to live a quality life with Old Nassau for a decade until he turns 65.

[Ken711]

NY Giants fired OC Jason Garrett today. Jason *is* familiar with IVY League footbal and after dealing with the whims / control of Jerry Jones and then the NY city media, maybe he needs a sabbatical of sorts.  Come to idyllic Ithaca, re-group and help a horrible program. Maybe?

Jason Voorhees from the Halloween movies couldn't do a worse job than David Archer has been doing.