Cornell lacrosse 2022

[mike1960]

18-9 ground balls. Faceoffs 11-14.

Ouch.

[upprdeck]

you wont win many games if the only faceoff wins are the other guys violations.

[mike1960]

We're just not getting out and getting sticks on the hands of the shooters. Lack of energy?

[upprdeck]

have to add the goalie play was really bad as well. The army D was outstanding controlling the locations we got into and then  the goalie made saves on top of it..  we have too many awful turnovers and probably 5-6 goals were on shots you have to save at a high volume.

[mike1960]

Every Army shot is hands free.

[CU77]

NCAA selection committee announced their current top 10 (before today's games):

Maryland
Princeton
Georgetown
Cornell
Yale
Rutgers
Virginia
Ohio State
Penn
Jacksonville

[ugarte]

Army whipped us in every aspect. Felt like a dam breaking. Have to pick up the pieces.

[semsox]

Hoping for a non-stressful win today, but Army is really good.

Oof. Best they had was a non-stressful loss. At least they lost the 'right' out of conference game this week. On to Brown next week.

[mike1960]

Hoping for a non-stressful win today, but Army is really good.

Oof. Best they had was a non-stressful loss. At least they lost the 'right' out of conference game this week. On to Brown next week.

Yes, we'll see how well Coach Buczek can get the team together to focus on Brown. The team certainly came out with a serious post-big-win funk and didn't really snap out of it until it was too late. They just need to remember that everything is still there for the taking. They just need to work harder and get better.

[CU77]

6 Ivy games to go, 2^6 = 64 possible outcomes.

For now I'm only going to do the scenarios where Dartmouth loses its last two games (to Penn and Brown).
 And I'm only going to do the simplest tie-breaker of record among the tied teams. Complete list of tie-breakers is here: https://ivyleague.com/sports/2018/4/17/MLAX_0417180748.aspx
And I'm not sure how (3a) applies in a case like (C,Y,Pr),(B,H,Pe)

C>B,H>Pr,Y>H,Pr>C: (C,Y,Pr),(B,H,Pe)
C>B,H>Pr,Y>H,C>Pr: C,Y,H,Pr
C>B,H>Pr,H>Y,Pr>C: (C,H,Pr),B
C>B,H>Pr,H>Y,C>Pr: C,H,(B,Pr,Y)

C>B,Pr>H,Y>H,Pr>C: Pr,C,Y,B
C>B,Pr>H,Y>H,C>Pr: C,Y,Pr,B
C>B,Pr>H,H>Y,Pr>C: Pr,C,H,B
C>B,Pr>H,H>Y,C>Pr: C,Pr,H,B

B>C,H>Pr,Y>H,Pr>C: (B,Pr,Y),Pe
B>C,H>Pr,Y>H,C>Pr: B,C,Y,(H,Pe,Pr)
B>C,H>Pr,H>Y,Pr>C: H,Pr,B,(C,Pe,Y)
B>C,H>Pr,H>Y,C>Pr: (B,C,H),Y

B>C,Pr>H,Y>H,Pr>C: Pr,B,Y,Pe
B>C,Pr>H,Y>H,C>Pr: B,C,Y,Pr
B>C,Pr>H,H>Y,Pr>C: Pr,B,Pe,C
B>C,Pr>H,H>Y,C>Pr: (B,C,Pr),(H,Pe,Y)

[upprdeck]

Brown might well win the last 2 and end up 4-2
Cornell ends up 3-3
Penn beats dart and goes to 3-3
Harv I suspect splits beats Princ loses to Yale and goes 3-3
Princ loses to Harv/ beats Cornell 4-2
Yale beats Harvard to go to 4-2

3 way tie for 4th

Cornell is 1-1
Penn is 2-2
Harv 0-2

Cornell better 1 one of those last 2 games

Now if Princ wins out and Harv beats yale then its
Princ 5-2
Yale 3-3, Harv 3-3, Penn 3-3  Cornell 3-3 and imagine if Dart beats Brown then Brown 3-3

We can be first or out of the Ivy Tourney.

[rss77]

Cornell defense was worn down by Army's dominance at faceoff X.  Like any game possession of the ball is everything.    We can talk about the Goalie play but Army's offensive players seemed to have time and room on every shot puts too much pressure Ierlan or Brust to make miraculous saves.  Sometimes the faceoff strikes me like having a jump ball after every basket,  It puts such a premium on one specialist to have possession dominance,

[mike1960]

Cornell defense was worn down by Army's dominance at faceoff X.  Like any game possession of the ball is everything.    We can talk about the Goalie play but Army's offensive players seemed to have time and room on every shot puts too much pressure Ierlan or Brust to make miraculous saves.  Sometimes the faceoff strikes me like having a jump ball after every basket,  It puts such a premium on one specialist to have possession dominance,

I wonder how physically and emotionally drained they were after the Syracuse game. From the jump against Army, our defense looked like they were playing in sand. How many uncontested shots did Army get at 12 yards out? Chayse has had a little trouble with the mid-range shot this year anyway, and then add the possible loss of confidence and you get a super tough day for him.

I can't remember which game it was earlier in the season, but I was incredibly impressed that the Cornell long poles had a stick on the hands of every shooter almost every time. A shooter just can't score if he can't follow through. But lately they've not always gotten out on the shooters, even with the 6 foot long pole, and especially not against Army. Part of the reason may be the zone defense, but I think it's just a question of getting back to fundamentals. They've shown they can do it.

So we went down 7-0 and there was no indication in the first quarter that Cornell was doing to drag itself out of it, but the team played more or less evenly on the scoreboard at least after the first quarter (with some junk time goals). Cornell is still an excellent team that's a little thin at middie. They can still do serious damage in the tournament.

Sorry to beat a dead horse, but again I'll mention that the cutting game works when they use it. Long to Coyle is a winning combination. They have the stick skills to make this a devastating part of their game, and it will open up shots on the outside. But instead they camp two guys in front of the crease and rarely throw to them. When they do, the long-poles are well trained to check sticks and make that pass difficult. Teat made a living snapping passes to cutters, and that made the rest of his game even harder to defend. /soapbox

[Swampy]

Cornell defense was worn down by Army's dominance at faceoff X.  Like any game possession of the ball is everything.    We can talk about the Goalie play but Army's offensive players seemed to have time and room on every shot puts too much pressure Ierlan or Brust to make miraculous saves.  Sometimes the faceoff strikes me like having a jump ball after every basket,  It puts such a premium on one specialist to have possession dominance,

I wonder how physically and emotionally drained they were after the Syracuse game. From the jump against Army, our defense looked like they were playing in sand. How many uncontested shots did Army get at 12 yards out? Chayse has had a little trouble with the mid-range shot this year anyway, and then add the possible loss of confidence and you get a super tough day for him.

I can't remember which game it was earlier in the season, but I was incredibly impressed that the Cornell long poles had a stick on the hands of every shooter almost every time. A shooter just can't score if he can't follow through. But lately they've not always gotten out on the shooters, even with the 6 foot long pole, and especially not against Army. Part of the reason may be the zone defense, but I think it's just a question of getting back to fundamentals. They've shown they can do it.

So we went down 7-0 and there was no indication in the first quarter that Cornell was doing to drag itself out of it, but the team played more or less evenly on the scoreboard at least after the first quarter (with some junk time goals). Cornell is still an excellent team that's a little thin at middie. They can still do serious damage in the tournament.

Sorry to beat a dead horse, but again I'll mention that the cutting game works when they use it. Long to Coyle is a winning combination. They have the stick skills to make this a devastating part of their game, and it will open up shots on the outside. But instead they camp two guys in front of the crease and rarely throw to them. When they do, the long-poles are well trained to check sticks and make that pass difficult. Teat made a living snapping passes to cutters, and that made the rest of his game even harder to defend. /soapbox

Agree about most things you say, Mike. I'd add the following. (1) Maybe I haven't watched closely enough, but it seems Cornell rarely uses picks to free up cutters. I've noticed Coyle setting picks, but given his size and skills, better results are more likely when he dodges off a pick and gets a feed from Long. (2) There was at least one time in the Army game, probably more, when Piatelli was double-teamed while trying to get to goal. In such instances, the standard remedy is to pass to someone at the back post. But at least once, as I said, I noticed there was nobody there. In fact, I noticed Army, Cuse, and (IIRC) Harvard using this tactic effectively against us, but Cornell rarely (but not never) used it.

[billhoward]

Same here. I listened last night, and my already great impression of Buczek was only elevated. He was smart, humble, insightful, and charming. I'm confident the program is in great hands for a long time.

The Cornell program in great hands? Or Hopkins'? UNC's? Stanford's (once they start lacrosse)? We're getting to be the cradle of lacrosse coaches, between coaches and ex-players.  

If Buczek does stay in Ithaca, maybe he is Cornell's next male athletic director circa 2030? 2035?