Corona Virus And Playoff Games

[billhoward]

still sadly doubling every couple of days.

But the country will be back on track by Easter. If only POTUS took the advice of Jared and Ivanka to open things for business by Passover (4/8), we could have gone straight from the end of the RS and some first round league playoffs ... to Detroit with teams 1-4 playing at Little Caesars.

[Trotsky]

Let's not do politics here, please.

[CU77]

Clearly the corona "Cornell - one" virus was engineered to stop the #1 ranked mens and womens hockey teams and mens lacrosse team from winning 3 national championships ...

[Trotsky]

I blame Harvard.

[Swampy]

still sadly doubling every couple of days.

But the country will be back on track by Easter. If only POTUS took the advice of Jared and Ivanka to open things for business by Passover (4/8), we could have gone straight from the end of the RS and some first round league playoffs ... to Detroit with teams 1-4 playing at Little Caesars.

Yeah. And if there's still no toilet paper, we can just eat matzot.

[ugarte]

don't know what cornell's plan is but i hope they step up https://twitter.com/Sej_Singh/status/1243575072167809024

[osorojo]

Ice rinks across the U.S.A., Canada, the World are closed today, and tomorrow, and . . . Current speculations, even those featuring pages of scores, shots, saves etc. have lost whatever relevance they might ever have had. How about some scientific, numerical predictions on the probability of ANY college hockey games next fall?

[adamw]

Ice rinks across the U.S.A., Canada, the World are closed today, and tomorrow, and . . . Current speculations, even those featuring pages of scores, shots, saves etc. have lost whatever relevance they might ever have had. How about some scientific, numerical predictions on the probability of ANY college hockey games next fall?

With fans? zero.

If colleges come up with solid plans for dealing with all of this, students can go back to school and there can be fanless events. But that will require organized leadership that I haven't seen.

[Trotsky]

We have no idea right now where we'll be next October.  Supposedly human trials for an (as yet non-existent) vaccine won't be complete for 6 months after it is created.  After that we'll need mass production and distribution.

I wouldn't count on hockey before 2021-22.

[Swampy]

We have no idea right now where we'll be next October.  Supposedly human trials for an (as yet non-existent) vaccine won't be complete for 6 months after it is created.  After that we'll need mass production and distribution.

I wouldn't count on hockey before 2021-22.

I've started taking a MOOC on COVID-19 taught by immunologists at Imperial College London. This week we read:

   Ferguson, N., D. Laydon, G. Nedjati Gilani, N. Imai, K. Ainslie, M. Baguelin, S. Bhatia, et al. 2020. "Report 9: Impact of Non-Pharmaceutical Interventions (NPIs) to Reduce COVID19 Mortality and Healthcare Demand." Report. https://doi.org/10.25561/77482.

This study has gotten a lot of attention lately. It suggests Trotsky's right. Until there's a vaccine we're likely to see repeated waves of the virus. The report suggests this first period of shutdown has to last until late August or September. But without a vaccine repeat waves are likely to reoccur a few weeks later. And this assumes the entire U.S. is doing the maximum to suppress the virus. The report was written before its authors learned that over here we have ::asshole::s like Brian Kemp and Rod DeSantis, whose shit-for-brains is likely to increase the likelihood, intensity, and frequency with which the waves repeat nationally.

[cu155]

Meanwhile, here in Shanghai people are close to acting like things are business as normal, so I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop.
1) In theory everyone is required to present a green/yellow/red QR code on their phone to gain access to buildings.  QR code is meant to change color based on big papa govt. tracking of proximity to known cases.  In practice they are making people like me (blond, blue eyes, big nose) display a code but if you look ethnically Chinese you just get waived through.  This includes people who are now free to travel from Hubei province who may/may not be asymptomatic carriers.
2) I have yet to see a single person in my office building make even an attempt at washing their hands correctly.
3) While in theory everyone is supposed to wear masks, some do not, and those that do are just recycling the same basic surgical mask with no attempt to follow any kind of sterile guidelines.
4) Temperatures are taken upon entrance to many buildings but the thermometer calibration is so far off as to be useless.  My temperature this morning was 32 deg C...I'm pretty sure that means I should be starring in a Weekend at Bernie's remake.
5) My physician friends in SH and BJ suggest that hospital ICU beds are currently heavily utilized but they are very careful about what they say and where they say it as they don't want to suddenly be peeling garlic in a reeducation center in Xinjiang.

There's plenty of political spin and stupid going around here as well, I think we are in for a long ride.

[Swampy]

Meanwhile, here in Shanghai people are close to acting like things are business as normal, so I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop.
1) In theory everyone is required to present a green/yellow/red QR code on their phone to gain access to buildings.  QR code is meant to change color based on big papa govt. tracking of proximity to known cases.  In practice they are making people like me (blond, blue eyes, big nose) display a code but if you look ethnically Chinese you just get waived through.  This includes people who are now free to travel from Hubei province who may/may not be asymptomatic carriers.
2) I have yet to see a single person in my office building make even an attempt at washing their hands correctly.
3) While in theory everyone is supposed to wear masks, some do not, and those that do are just recycling the same basic surgical mask with no attempt to follow any kind of sterile guidelines.
4) Temperatures are taken upon entrance to many buildings but the thermometer calibration is so far off as to be useless.  My temperature this morning was 32 deg C...I'm pretty sure that means I should be starring in a Weekend at Bernie's remake.
5) My physician friends in SH and BJ suggest that hospital ICU beds are currently heavily utilized but they are very careful about what they say and where they say it as they don't want to suddenly be peeling garlic in a reeducation center in Xinjiang.

There's plenty of political spin and stupid going around here as well, I think we are in for a long ride.

Meantime, back here, we're a country with 4.25% of the world's population but 25% of its COVID-19 cases. OK, we're still only doing diagnostic testing. Oh wait, expanding testing here could only increase our share of the world's COVID-positives. Maybe other countries are testing even less than we are, so they have more cases than they're reporting. But it's harder to fake death: we currently have 12% of the world's deaths, even though we got started late.

The gaslight dujour here is to compare us with China and then claim China is cooking the books. I suspect even if we took China out of the world totals and compared us to what's left, we'd still look awful. But besides your direct observations, do you have any sense of whether China is indeed cooking the books on the total numbers infected and dead from the disease, either for China as a whole or for individual cities like Shanghai?

[Tcl123]

Meanwhile, here in Shanghai people are close to acting like things are business as normal, so I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop.
1) In theory everyone is required to present a green/yellow/red QR code on their phone to gain access to buildings.  QR code is meant to change color based on big papa govt. tracking of proximity to known cases.  In practice they are making people like me (blond, blue eyes, big nose) display a code but if you look ethnically Chinese you just get waived through.  This includes people who are now free to travel from Hubei province who may/may not be asymptomatic carriers.
2) I have yet to see a single person in my office building make even an attempt at washing their hands correctly.
3) While in theory everyone is supposed to wear masks, some do not, and those that do are just recycling the same basic surgical mask with no attempt to follow any kind of sterile guidelines.
4) Temperatures are taken upon entrance to many buildings but the thermometer calibration is so far off as to be useless.  My temperature this morning was 32 deg C...I'm pretty sure that means I should be starring in a Weekend at Bernie's remake.
5) My physician friends in SH and BJ suggest that hospital ICU beds are currently heavily utilized but they are very careful about what they say and where they say it as they don't want to suddenly be peeling garlic in a reeducation center in Xinjiang.

There's plenty of political spin and stupid going around here as well, I think we are in for a long ride.

Meantime, back here, we're a country with 4.25% of the world's population but 25% of its COVID-19 cases. OK, we're still only doing diagnostic testing. Oh wait, expanding testing here could only increase our share of the world's COVID-positives. Maybe other countries are testing even less than we are, so they have more cases than they're reporting. But it's harder to fake death: we currently have 12% of the world's deaths, even though we got started late.

The gaslight dujour here is to compare us with China and then claim China is cooking the books. I suspect even if we took China out of the world totals and compared us to what's left, we'd still look awful. But besides your direct observations, do you have any sense of whether China is indeed cooking the books on the total numbers infected and dead from the disease, either for China as a whole or for individual cities like Shanghai?

Google "China funeral urns".

[Jeff Hopkins '82]

Meanwhile, here in Shanghai people are close to acting like things are business as normal, so I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop.
1) In theory everyone is required to present a green/yellow/red QR code on their phone to gain access to buildings.  QR code is meant to change color based on big papa govt. tracking of proximity to known cases.  In practice they are making people like me (blond, blue eyes, big nose) display a code but if you look ethnically Chinese you just get waived through.  This includes people who are now free to travel from Hubei province who may/may not be asymptomatic carriers.
2) I have yet to see a single person in my office building make even an attempt at washing their hands correctly.
3) While in theory everyone is supposed to wear masks, some do not, and those that do are just recycling the same basic surgical mask with no attempt to follow any kind of sterile guidelines.
4) Temperatures are taken upon entrance to many buildings but the thermometer calibration is so far off as to be useless.  My temperature this morning was 32 deg C...I'm pretty sure that means I should be starring in a Weekend at Bernie's remake.
5) My physician friends in SH and BJ suggest that hospital ICU beds are currently heavily utilized but they are very careful about what they say and where they say it as they don't want to suddenly be peeling garlic in a reeducation center in Xinjiang.

There's plenty of political spin and stupid going around here as well, I think we are in for a long ride.

Meantime, back here, we're a country with 4.25% of the world's population but 25% of its COVID-19 cases. OK, we're still only doing diagnostic testing. Oh wait, expanding testing here could only increase our share of the world's COVID-positives. Maybe other countries are testing even less than we are, so they have more cases than they're reporting. But it's harder to fake death: we currently have 12% of the world's deaths, even though we got started late.

The gaslight dujour here is to compare us with China and then claim China is cooking the books. I suspect even if we took China out of the world totals and compared us to what's left, we'd still look awful. But besides your direct observations, do you have any sense of whether China is indeed cooking the books on the total numbers infected and dead from the disease, either for China as a whole or for individual cities like Shanghai?

Google "China funeral urns".

Also learn about the Great Leap Forward.  The official position was that maybe a million people died.  Recently the archives opened, and the actual numbers were closer to 45 million.

Or a smaller example: about 10 years ago there was a major derailment on the main Beijing to Shanghai high speed rail line.  The initial response by the government was to bury the train cars, bodies and all, so there would be no evidence of the crash.  However, the locals stopped the bulldozers and eventually the bodies were recovered mostly by the people, not the government.  A 200-300 people were killed.  However, the "official" number was 38 people dead.  Why 38?  Because a law was passed a few years earlier that any incident above 40 people required an official investigation of the government and party leaders.  So 38 it was.

Do not trust any numbers or statistics from the CPC.

[osorojo]

Hockey season is truly over now. Defending government incompetence in The U.S.A. by attacking the honesty of the Chinese leaders sounds like something they do at Harvard. I'm sure the dolts in attendance there accept this as whole cloth.