Corona Virus And Playoff Games

[redice]

not sure how they are making money on the game if thats what they really charged though. And its not their money anyway.. None of the playoff money goes to Cornell.

If it's $20 face-value ticket and they're refunding only $6 to the customer, SOMEBODY is making money!!!   And, I don't give a damn if it's Cornell or whomever.   It's being taken from the customer (we fans)!!  That's wrong!!

To be clear, this is common practice in many areas of business; both athletics & non-athletics.  It is a "screw you, customer, we're going to do it and we don't care if you like/dislike it!" mentality....  In some cases, I discontinue doing business with businesses that pull that crap..   I enjoy Cornell Hockey too much to do that.   I know pulling my business does not affect the business.  But, it removes my exposure to their thievery.   I prefer to do business with honorable business people... They are becoming harder to find.

[upprdeck]

but I cant find where we really paid $20 for it.  we could have gotten a deal.  the question is what was face value for all the regular tickets.

[marty]

not sure how they are making money on the game if thats what they really charged though. And its not their money anyway.. None of the playoff money goes to Cornell.

If it's $20 face-value ticket and they're refunding only $6 to the customer, SOMEBODY is making money!!!   And, I don't give a damn if it's Cornell or whomever.   It's being taken from the customer (we fans)!!  That's wrong!!

To be clear, this is common practice in many areas of business; both athletics & non-athletics.  It is a "screw you, customer, we're going to do it and we don't care if you like/dislike it!" mentality....  In some cases, I discontinue doing business with businesses that pull that crap..   I enjoy Cornell Hockey too much to do that.   I know pulling my business does not affect the business.  But, it removes my exposure to their thievery.   I prefer to do business with honorable business people... They are becoming harder to find.

Jim can do the math.  It's a season ticket.  They are usually less than the cost of individual games.  If Cornell increases the price for the quarterfinals vs the rest of the games this doesn't change what a season ticket holder paid in September.

[upprdeck]

I am not saying we are not getting ripped off either... I just dont think its as simple as $20 vs $6.  Cornell could have charged us $10 and sent $6 to the ECAC for their cut months ago too and maybe thats what the ECAC sends them back..   The hard part is not really knowing since it seems to be hidden in the costs up front.   Have to try and remember if you can remove the ECAC package up front next yr so its easier to see. Or maybe in 2-3 yrs hen hockey starts up again.

[redice]

I am not saying we are not getting ripped off either... I just dont think its as simple as $20 vs $6.  Cornell could have charged us $10 and sent $6 to the ECAC for their cut months ago too and maybe thats what the ECAC sends them back..   The hard part is not really knowing since it seems to be hidden in the costs up front.   Have to try and remember if you can remove the ECAC package up front next yr so its easier to see. Or maybe in 2-3 yrs hen hockey starts up again.

I agree that it'd not a simple $14 ripoff.  But, they ARE ripping us off and saying it's in the hands of someone else (ECACHL) doesn't make it more tolerable.  They need to make us whole.  It's only a few dollars for each of us.  But, for the whole crowd, somebody is making a bundle for providing NOTHING!!

[jtwcornell91]

I am not saying we are not getting ripped off either... I just dont think its as simple as $20 vs $6.  Cornell could have charged us $10 and sent $6 to the ECAC for their cut months ago too and maybe thats what the ECAC sends them back..   The hard part is not really knowing since it seems to be hidden in the costs up front.   Have to try and remember if you can remove the ECAC package up front next yr so its easier to see. Or maybe in 2-3 yrs hen hockey starts up again.

I agree that it'd not a simple $14 ripoff.  But, they ARE ripping us off and saying it's in the hands of someone else (ECACHL) doesn't make it more tolerable.  They need to make us whole.  It's only a few dollars for each of us.  But, for the whole crowd, somebody is making a bundle for providing NOTHING!!

I'm guessing the season tickets are no longer available with/without playoffs.  Back when that was the case, it was easy to tell what the differential cost of the playoff games was.

[jtwcornell91]

Just got an email from Tickets about my refund. They are giving back $6/ticket, which seems low, but I'll have to look at my season ticket prices.

Löwen Frankfurt are offering a deal where playoff tickets can be replaced with the same tickets to the first two games next season, and we get a commemorative t-shirt (which they were going to sell for 5€ at the games) for free.  Notwithstanding the price difference between playoff and regular season tickets, I don't know if we'll be here in the fall, or if the first two RS games will fit our schedule (we can basically only blow the kiddo's bedtime for Friday night games), so I'll go for the refund.  But I may still buy the t-shirt for the playoffs that weren't.

[Swampy]

Obviously we're all praying that winter sports will be allowed to continue through the championships until early April. But it looks like we're going to have to watch the games on TV unless (a) as individuals we can score guest passes or (b) they develop a vaccine.

So this brings up the logical next question, will TV crews be allowed in to televise the games? And if they are, do they have to wear hazmat suits?

[ugarte]

i am still trying to find anything that says how much the ecac tickets really cost.. But I know the tickets were not $6 this week

A friend of mine bought tix for Friday's game @ $20 each.   They told him that he will be refunded the full $20 per ticket.   It just doesn't seem right that season ticketholders would be refunded an amount so far below face-value.

do you pay full single-game price for a season ticket? if not, it's not entirely unreasonable to refund less than the single-game price for a voided playoff ticket.

[kingpin248]

Per CHN: The ECAC will reseed, and with Yale following Harvard's lead, top-seeded Cornell and No. 2 Clarkson will have byes to the semifinals. The league still plans to allow fans into 1980 Olympic Arena, but the report rightly notes that "it's a fluid situation changing very rapidly."

[Swampy]

i am still trying to find anything that says how much the ecac tickets really cost.. But I know the tickets were not $6 this week

A friend of mine bought tix for Friday's game @ $20 each.   They told him that he will be refunded the full $20 per ticket.   It just doesn't seem right that season ticketholders would be refunded an amount so far below face-value.

do you pay full single-game price for a season ticket? if not, it's not entirely unreasonable to refund less than the single-game price for a voided playoff ticket.

The issue with this sort of thing is that usually there's a discounted price per game for a season ticket, but all games are not equal. If all games were equal, then divide the price of a season's ticket by the number of games, and you have the per-game price. But two problems arise. (1) Clearly a playoff game has greater value than most ordinary in-season games. If this is reflected in the per-game pricing, then the refund value of a playoff game for a season ticket holder should be proportionate to the price of an individual playoff ticket compared to that of an ordinary game.

But (2) makes this much more complicated. (2) At the beginning of the season there's no guarantee the team will be playing in the playoffs, particularly at home. So the fact that a season ticket includes home playoff games, if any, involves a gamble.

I'm sure jtw can figure out an equitable way to place a value on the gamble, but unfortunately Cornell's Athletic Department cannot. Besides, who ever heard of the house giving even odds on a gamble?

[ugarte]

I'm sure jtw can figure out an equitable way to place a value on the gamble, but unfortunately Cornell's Athletic Department cannot. Besides, who ever heard of the house giving even odds on a gamble?

my formula for the "fair" "value" of a playoff ticket to a season ticketholder is this:

(season ticket price - (single-game price x regular season games)) / number of playoff games

there are more generous formulations but that is minimum fairness

[scoop85]

Per CHN: The ECAC will reseed, and with Yale following Harvard's lead, top-seeded Cornell and No. 2 Clarkson will have byes to the semifinals. The league still plans to allow fans into 1980 Olympic Arena, but the report rightly notes that "it's a fluid situation changing very rapidly."

Interesting development and probably the right approach to this. Assuming LP happens (and as we have seen that may be a big if) our guys will have a lot of time off.

[upprdeck]

so did yale just give up on the bball team as well and harvard .dang maybe cornell can make it if a few more give up

[Swampy]

Per CHN: The ECAC will reseed, and with Yale following Harvard's lead, top-seeded Cornell and No. 2 Clarkson will have byes to the semifinals. The league still plans to allow fans into 1980 Olympic Arena, but the report rightly notes that "it's a fluid situation changing very rapidly."

Shit! ::pain::

I woke up this morning looking forward to watching four high-level Cornell games this coming weekend. Now, I'm down to one!

Maybe a silver lining will be that everyone who would ordinarily view or attend the men's hockey games and/or lacrosse match but skip the women's game will now view the women's NC$$ quarterfinal at 2 PM this Saturday.

It is going to be televised, isn't it? Somebody please tell me "Yes." ::cry::