Fortress Invitational

[BearLover]

Even though Cornell got the short end of the stick this tournament, I do not think mid-season tournament pairings or scheduling should be determined by ranking. Human rankings are subjective and based on too small a sample size, and PWR are also based on too small a sample size. Cornell had played 11 games coming into the tournament and only three out of conference. That is not enough games to definitively assign them a seed or game-time based on their ranking.

[Swampy]

Even though Cornell got the short end of the stick this tournament, I do not think mid-season tournament pairings or scheduling should be determined by ranking. Human rankings are subjective and based on too small a sample size, and PWR are also based on too small a sample size. Cornell had played 11 games coming into the tournament and only three out of conference. That is not enough games to definitively assign them a seed or game-time based on their ranking.

But what's the alternative?

[BearLover]

Even though Cornell got the short end of the stick this tournament, I do not think mid-season tournament pairings or scheduling should be determined by ranking. Human rankings are subjective and based on too small a sample size, and PWR are also based on too small a sample size. Cornell had played 11 games coming into the tournament and only three out of conference. That is not enough games to definitively assign them a seed or game-time based on their ranking.

But what's the alternative?

Assigning seeds/schedules randomly. Isn't that what they did here? (Also, if early season results count towards midseason tournament seeds, and midseason tournaments count towards end-of-year ranking, that means early season games are double-counted to some degree.)

[Dafatone]

So much for momentum...

[ugarte]

great 6x5 goal from barron to tie. I want to see the near miss from haiskanen again in three closing seconds but I doubt that he does.

this is a pwr tie, right?

[Cop at Lynah]

Yes it's a tie

[scoop85]

Yes it's a tie

So how are ties reflected in PWR?

[Swampy]

So much for momentum...

But maybe a lesson about the risk of taking penalties in close games.

[BearLover]

Cornell played well. The five-minute major was tough and too hard to determine whether it was the right call based on the webcast angle. Up to that point, Cornell had really been controlling the play.

[blackwidow]

Fair to say on the basis of individual skill, Providence was superior? I think Cornell is generally a well-structured, well-trained team but finds it hard to compete in terms of raw talent (penalty shootout for example)  I thought all Cornell shootout shots were very easy to save. no deking whatsoever.

[BearLover]

Fair to say on the basis of individual skill, Providence was superior? I think Cornell is generally a well-structured, well-trained team but finds it hard to compete in terms of raw talent (penalty shootout for example)

Yes. Providence has far better talent. Cornell plays a smart system and its players are older and stronger than Providence's, but on an individual talent basis Providence is probably a top-five program in the country.

[blackwidow]

went to the last year's NCAA game against Providence.  Glad the team held their own against a worthy opponent.  It's games like this one that remind me I must keep my expectations for the team in check.  I get too worked up sometimes :/

[Jim Hyla]

Fair to say on the basis of individual skill, Providence was superior? I think Cornell is generally a well-structured, well-trained team but finds it hard to compete in terms of raw talent (penalty shootout for example)

Yes. Providence has far better talent. Cornell plays a smart system and its players are older and stronger than Providence's, but on an individual talent basis Providence is probably a top-five program in the country.

Everyone talks about that and how they are taller, but now (finally) looking for speed.

Well by CHN tables, PC players average 85 days younger, 1 inch shorter, and 1.6 pounds lighter. So that's older and stronger? You're going to tell me that those numbers are that much different, as to make a difference.

I think some pundits (This is not meant to single you out BearLover) are still back with the teams from 8-10 years ago and are forgetting that we are a completely different team, playing a different style of play than before. That means our players are also different.

[Trotsky]

There were two tiers of talent in Las Vegas:

1. Jack Dugan and Morgan Barron
2. Other

I didn't see PU being superior in talent.

[Dafatone]

So much for momentum...

But maybe a lesson about the risk of taking penalties in close games.

Penalties are bad. I wasn't watching, only listening, so I can't speak to the call itself.

But a review shouldn't be over ten minutes.