Polls 2019-20

[Jim Hyla]

I'll bet the 1970 team's SOS was awful.

Turns out they don't withhold the trophy for that.

Then we played Clarkson for the ECAC championship and then again for the NC$$ NC, so Clarkson must have been pretty good too. (Of course beating them in the national title game wouldn't count towards SOS in any meaningful way. But I wonder why we didn't play Clarkson during the RS.

If I understand correctly, the ECAC at the time had three divisions because of the unusual mix of schools (we were Ivy), and 17 (?) schools - so since a round-robin wasn't practical, not all ECAC teams played all other ECAC teams during the RS like they do now.

The three divisions did not start until 1979-80. Everyone played the teams in their own division home and away and the teams in the other two divisions once. IIRC, before that every team played whomever they wanted to and could schedule.

Edit: The required scheduling apparently didn't start until 1982 https://www.augenblick.org/chha/ecac_his.html.

Indeed they did pick their own schedule and until at least 1973 the ECAC post-season teams and rankings were picked by committee and not by win percentage.

[Trotsky]

IIRC, during the 3-division period each division had to be represented in the top 4 seeds.  That's how Harvard got a 4 seed in 1982 and 1984 with the 8th and 7th best records, respectively.

(Figures Harvard would benefit from a set aside.)

[jkahn]

I'll bet the 1970 team's SOS was awful.

Turns out they don't withhold the trophy for that.

Then we played Clarkson for the ECAC championship and then again for the NC$$ NC, so Clarkson must have been pretty good too. (Of course beating them in the national title game wouldn't count towards SOS in any meaningful way. But I wonder why we didn't play Clarkson during the RS.

If I understand correctly, the ECAC at the time had three divisions because of the unusual mix of schools (we were Ivy), and 17 (?) schools - so since a round-robin wasn't practical, not all ECAC teams played all other ECAC teams during the RS like they do now.

The three divisions did not start until 1979-80. Everyone played the teams in their own division home and away and the teams in the other two divisions once. IIRC, before that every team played whomever they wanted to and could schedule.

Edit: The required scheduling apparently didn't start until 1982 https://www.augenblick.org/chha/ecac_his.html.

Indeed they did pick their own schedule and until at least 1973 the ECAC post-season teams and rankings were picked by committee and not by win percentage.

No, straight win percentage was used from at least 1967 (my freshmen year) onward.  With everyone playing varying amounts of games, there weren't many tiebreakers to worry about.  Being a math nerd, I used to run all the possible permutations before the last weekend, and as the scores came in on the last Saturday, we'd know exactly what the first round match-ups would be.

[ursusminor]

I'll bet the 1970 team's SOS was awful.

Turns out they don't withhold the trophy for that.

Then we played Clarkson for the ECAC championship and then again for the NC$$ NC, so Clarkson must have been pretty good too. (Of course beating them in the national title game wouldn't count towards SOS in any meaningful way. But I wonder why we didn't play Clarkson during the RS.

If I understand correctly, the ECAC at the time had three divisions because of the unusual mix of schools (we were Ivy), and 17 (?) schools - so since a round-robin wasn't practical, not all ECAC teams played all other ECAC teams during the RS like they do now.

The three divisions did not start until 1979-80. Everyone played the teams in their own division home and away and the teams in the other two divisions once. IIRC, before that every team played whomever they wanted to and could schedule.

Edit: The required scheduling apparently didn't start until 1982 https://www.augenblick.org/chha/ecac_his.html.

Indeed they did pick their own schedule and until at least 1973 the ECAC post-season teams and rankings were picked by committee and not by win percentage.

No, straight win percentage was used from at least 1967 (my freshmen year) onward.  With everyone playing varying amounts of games, there weren't many tiebreakers to worry about.  Being a math nerd, I used to run all the possible permutations before the last weekend, and as the scores came in on the last Saturday, we'd know exactly what the first round match-ups would be.

I was a freshman at RPI in 64-65, but 68-69, my first year in grad school, was the first year that I really paid attention because it was the first year that RPI made the playoffs or was even seriously considered since I was in HS. Looking at the standings https://www.augenblick.org/chha/ecac_stn.html, RPI was 7th but was seeded 5th and played 6th-place, but 4th-seeded, BU in Boston. The smoke-filled room was still used back then.

I should add that the RPI fandom believed that we should have gotten home ice because we defeated BU 7-0 in the regular season.

[Jim Hyla]

I'll bet the 1970 team's SOS was awful.

Turns out they don't withhold the trophy for that.

Then we played Clarkson for the ECAC championship and then again for the NC$$ NC, so Clarkson must have been pretty good too. (Of course beating them in the national title game wouldn't count towards SOS in any meaningful way. But I wonder why we didn't play Clarkson during the RS.

If I understand correctly, the ECAC at the time had three divisions because of the unusual mix of schools (we were Ivy), and 17 (?) schools - so since a round-robin wasn't practical, not all ECAC teams played all other ECAC teams during the RS like they do now.

The three divisions did not start until 1979-80. Everyone played the teams in their own division home and away and the teams in the other two divisions once. IIRC, before that every team played whomever they wanted to and could schedule.

Edit: The required scheduling apparently didn't start until 1982 https://www.augenblick.org/chha/ecac_his.html.

Indeed they did pick their own schedule and until at least 1973 the ECAC post-season teams and rankings were picked by committee and not by win percentage.

No, straight win percentage was used from at least 1967 (my freshmen year) onward.  With everyone playing varying amounts of games, there weren't many tiebreakers to worry about.  Being a math nerd, I used to run all the possible permutations before the last weekend, and as the scores came in on the last Saturday, we'd know exactly what the first round match-ups would be.

In 1972 Harvard had better % than BU, but BU got the #2 seed.
In 1970 BC had the #6 %, but got the #4 seed.
In 1969 Harvard had #3 %, with #2 seed. BU went from #6 to #4 and RPI #7 to #5.

So there was at least some mixng back then.

[Al DeFlorio]

I was going to say something like "Since the worst thing that can happen to our SOS is to have Army do whatever we do in the first game, Army will do whatever we do in the first game." Then I checked and Army is at 20, hardly a material difference from Providence at 17.

10-4 Army now #19 in pairwise, two slots above 6-3 Harvard.  May change as evening progresses.

[Jim Hyla]

Rankings roundup: How the top 20 teams fared, Dec. 6-8

1 How far will CU fall?
2 How far will Harvard fall?

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No. 1 Minnesota State (14-1-1)
12/06/2019 – Lake Superior State 1 at [b][u]No. 1 Minnesota State 5[/u][/b]
12/07/2019 – Lake Superior State 0 at [b][u]No. 1 Minnesota State 2[/u][/b]

No. 2 Cornell (10-1-0)
12/06/2019 – [b][u]No. 2 Cornell 3[/u][/b] at No. 12 Harvard 1
12/07/2019 – No. 2 Cornell 1 at [b][u]RV Dartmouth 2[/u][/b]

No. 3 North Dakota (14-1-2)
12/06/2019 – [b][u]No. 3 North Dakota 1[/u][/b] at No. 17 Western Michigan 0 (OT)
12/07/2019 – [b][u]No. 3 North Dakota 8[/u][/b] at No. 17 Western Michigan 2

No. 4 Denver (9-4-3)
12/06/2019 – No. 4 Denver 1 at [b][u]No. 20 Arizona State 4[/u][/b]
12/07/2019 – [b][u]No. 4 Denver 2 at No. 20 Arizona State 2 (OT)[/u][/b]

No. 5 Clarkson (11-3-1)
12/07/2019 – St. Lawrence 1 at [b][u]No. 5 Clarkson 3[/u][/b]

No. 6 Penn State (12-5-0)
12/06/2019 – No. 6 Penn State 1 at [b][u]Michigan 4[/u][/b]
12/07/2019 – [b][u]No. 6 Penn State 3[/u][/b] at Michigan 1

No. 7 Ohio State (10-4-2)
12/06/2019 – RV Minnesota 2 at [b][u]No. 7 Ohio State 3 (OT)[/u][/b]
12/07/2019 – [b][u]RV Minnesota 1 at No. 7 Ohio State 1 (OT)[/u][/b]

No. 8 Northeastern (10-5-2)
12/07/2019 – No. 8 Northeastern 3 at [b][u]Boston University 6[/u][/b]

No. 9 Notre Dame (8-6-2)
12/06/2019 – No. 9 Notre Dame 0 at [b][u]No. 10 Boston College 4[/u][/b]
12/08/2019 – [b][u]No. 10 Boston College 6[/u][/b] at No. 9 Notre Dame 1

No. 10 Boston College (11-4-0)
12/06/2019 – No. 9 Notre Dame 0 at [b][u]No. 10 Boston College 4[/u][/b]
12/08/2019 – [b][u]No. 10 Boston College 6[/u][/b] at No. 9 Notre Dame 1

No. 11 Massachusetts (11-4-1)
12/06/2019 – RV Maine 1 at [b][u]No. 11 Massachusetts 5[/u][/b]
12/07/2019 – RV Maine 1 at [b][u]No. 11 Massachusetts 4[/u][/b]

No. 12 Harvard (6-4-0)
12/03/2019 – No. 12 Harvard 2 at [b][u]Boston University 5[/u][/b]
12/06/2019 – [b][u]No. 2 Cornell 3[/u][/b] at No. 12 Harvard 1
12/07/2019 – [b][u]Colgate 4[/u][/b] at No. 12 Harvard 3 (OT)

No. 13 Bowling Green (11-5-1)
12/06/2019 – Alabama Huntsville 3 at [b][u]No. 13 Bowling Green 9[/u][/b]
12/07/2019 – [b][u]Alabama Huntsville 2 at No. 13 Bowling Green 2 (OT)[/u][/b]

No. 14 Minnesota Duluth (9-6-1)
12/06/2019 – [b][u]No. 14 Minnesota Duluth 6[/u][/b] at No. 18 Omaha 3
12/07/2019 – [b][u]No. 14 Minnesota Duluth 4[/u][/b] at No. 18 Omaha 3

No. 15 Providence (9-5-3)
12/06/2019 – [b][u]No. 16 UMass Lowell 3[/u][/b] at No. 15 Providence 2
12/07/2019 – [b][u]No. 15 Providence 4[/u][/b] at No. 16 UMass Lowell 1

No. 16 UMass Lowell (10-4-4)
12/06/2019 – [b][u]No. 16 UMass Lowell 3[/u][/b] at No. 15 Providence 2
12/07/2019 – [b][u]No. 15 Providence 4[/u][/b] at No. 16 UMass Lowell 1

No. 17 Western Michigan (7-7-2)
12/06/2019 – [b][u]No. 3 North Dakota 1[/u][/b] at No. 17 Western Michigan 0 (OT)
12/07/2019 – [b][u]No. 3 North Dakota 8[/u][/b] at No. 17 Western Michigan 2

No. 18 Omaha (6-6-2)
12/06/2019 – [b][u]No. 14 Minnesota Duluth 6[/u][/b] at No. 18 Omaha 3
12/07/2019 – [b][u]No. 14 Minnesota Duluth 4[/u][/b] at No. 18 Omaha 3

No. 19 Wisconsin (7-10-1)
12/06/2019 – No. 19 Wisconsin 0 at [b][u]RV Michigan State 3[/u][/b]
12/07/2019 – No. 19 Wisconsin 4 at [b][u]RV Michigan State 5 (OT)[/u][/b]

No. 20 Arizona State (8-4-2)
12/06/2019 – No. 4 Denver 1 at [b][u]No. 20 Arizona State 4[/u][/b]
12/07/2019 – [b][u]No. 4 Denver 2 at No. 20 Arizona State 2 (OT)[/u][/b]

RV = Received Votes


[Trotsky]

Cornell will fall to 4, Harvard will fall into RV.

[Dafatone]

Third.

Denver, Penn State, Ohio State all had weekends similar or worse than ours. Clarkson isn't passing us by winning one game vs SLU.

[Trotsky]

Third.

Denver, Penn State, Ohio State all had weekends similar or worse than ours.

Doesn't matter.  EZAC.  Don't call it a comeback.

[Dafatone]

Third.

Denver, Penn State, Ohio State all had weekends similar or worse than ours.

Doesn't matter.  EZAC.  Don't call it a comeback.

I don't see a team that went 0-1-1 last weekend passing us, but I could be wrong.

[Trotsky]

You weren't wrong.

[Jim Hyla]

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[b]USCHO Division I Men's Poll - December 9, 2019[/b]
Rnk Team     (First) Record Points Last Poll

1 Minnesota State (43) 14-1-1 992 1
2 North Dakota (6) 14-1-2 937 3
[b][u]3 Cornell        (1) 10-1-0 890 2
4 Clarkson 11-3-1 826 5[/u][/b]
5 Boston College 11-4-0 746 10
6 Ohio State 10-4-2 699 7
7 Penn State 12-5-0 684 6
8 Denver         9-4-3 652 4
9 Massachusetts 11-4-1 618 11
10 Bowling Green 11-5-1 500 13
11 Minnesota Duluth 9-6-1 495 14
12 Northeastern 10-5-2 425 8
13 Providence 9-5-3 381 15
14 UMass Lowell 10-4-4 373 16
15 Notre Dame 8-6-2 334 9
16 Arizona State 8-4-2 264 20
[b][u]17 Harvard         6-4-0 217 12[/u][/b]
18 Michigan State 8-7-1 127 NR
19 Western Michigan 7-7-2 89 17
20 Sacred Heart 11-6-1 56 NR

Others receiving votes: Michigan Tech 52, Northern Michigan 30,
Omaha 25, RIT 13, Army 13, [b][u]Quinnipiac 13[/u][/b], Wisconsin 12,
Boston University 9, Alaska 6, Colorado College 5,
[b][u]Dartmouth 5[/u][/b], Bemidji State 5, Maine 3, [b][u]Colgate 3[/u][/b], St. Cloud 1

[b]USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Men's College Hockey Poll
December 9, 2019[/b]
Team               (First) Points Last Poll Record Weeks in Poll

1 Minnesota State University (34) 510 1 14-1-1 11
2 University of North Dakota 469 3 14-1-2 7
[b][u]3 Cornell University        435 2 10-1-0 11[/u][/b]
4 Boston College                361 7 11-4-0 8
[b][u]5 Clarkson University        338 5 11-3-1 11[/u][/b]
6 Ohio State University        323 8 10-4-2 11
7 Penn State University        309 6 12-5-0 11
8 University of Denver        290 4 9-4-3 11
9 University of Massachusetts 238 13 11-4-1 11
10 Bowling Green State University 181 11 11-5-1 11
11 University of Minnesota Duluth 165 14 9-6-1 11
12 Northeastern University 114 12 10-5-2 11
13 University Massachusetts Lowell  95 15 10-4-4 4
14 University of Notre Dame 87 10 8-6-2 11
15 Arizona State University 66 NR 8-4-2 1

Others receiving votes: Providence College 58, [b][u]Harvard University 25[/u][/b],
Michigan Tech University 10, Northern Michigan University 5, Michigan State University 1.

[b]USCHO Division I Women's Poll - December 9, 2019[/b]
Rnk Team     (First) Record Points Last Poll

1 Wisconsin (11) 18-1-1 146 1
2 Minnesota (4) 15-1-3 137 2
3 Northeastern 14-2-0 114 3
[b][u]4 Cornell        11-1-1 112 4[/u][/b]
5 Ohio State 10-4-4 82 5
[b][u]6 Clarkson 14-2-4 74 7
7 Princeton 10-3-0 59 6[/u][/b]
8 Boston University 12-4-1 50 9
9 Boston College 11-6-2 22 8
10 Minnesota Duluth 8-8-2 16 10

Others receiving votes: [b][u]Harvard 6[/u][/b], Mercyhurst 5,
[b][u]Quinnipiac 1[/u][/b], Robert Morris 1

[b]CHN PWR[/b]

Rk Team       PCWs RPI Rk QWB-† W-L-T Win % Wgtd Win % - ‡
1 Minnesota State 59 .6658 1 .0148 14-1-1 .9062 .8861
2 North Dakota 58 .6648 2 .0073 14-1-2 .8824 .9000
[b][u]3 Cornell 57 .6455 3 .0035 10-1-0 .9091 .9273[/u][/b]
4 Denver        56 .5876 5 .0075 9-4-3 .6562 .6582
5 Boston College 55 .5883 4 .0028 11-4-0 .7333 .7632
6 Penn State 54 .5732 6 .0024 12-5-0 .7059 .6829
7 Bowling Green 53 .5644 7 .0059 11-5-1 .6765 .6667
8 Ohio State 52 .5609 8 .0038 10-4-2 .6875 .6867
9 Arizona State 51 .5565 9 .0036 8-4-2 .6429 .6364
10 Massachusetts 50 .5554 10 .0017 11-4-1 .7188 .7123
11 Mass.-Lowell 49 .5506 11 .0044 10-4-4 .6667 .6413
12 Minnesota-Duluth48 .5499 12 .0046 9-6-1 .5938 .5823
13 Michigan Tech 47 .5474 13 .0023 10-7-0 .5882 .6000
14 Notre Dame 46 .5444 14 .0038 8-6-2 .5625 .5676
[b][u]15 Clarkson 45 .5436 15 .0000 11-3-1 .7667 .7662[/u][/b]
16 Providence 44 .5430 16 .0064 9-5-3 .6176 .5977
17 Northeastern 43 .5407 17 .0020 10-5-2 .6471 .6625
18 Michigan State 42 .5373 18 .0043 8-7-1 .5312 .5455
19 Colorado College41 .5279 19 .0005 6-5-1 .5417 .5397
20 Sacred Heart 40 .5277 20 .0000 11-6-1 .6389 .6392
21 Bemidji State 39 .5232 21 .0000 8-5-3 .5938 .6000
22 Western Michigan38 .5224 22 .0064 7-7-2 .5000 .5000
23 Army        37 .5189 23 .0000 11-5-0 .6875 .6829
24 RIT        36 .5166 24 .0019 10-6-2 .6111 .6111
25 Alaska        35 .5160 25 .0063 10-10-0 .5000 .5000
26 Maine        34 .5153 26 .0009 8-7-3 .5278 .5679
[b][u]27 Harvard 33 .5150 27 .0000 6-4-0 .6000 .5769
28 Quinnipiac 31 .5133 28 .0026 7-7-1 .5000 .5072
29 Dartmouth 30 .5095 29 .0046 4-3-1 .5625 .5641[/u][/b]
30 Northern Michigan30 .5076 30 .0004 8-6-2 .5625 .5488


[Jim Hyla]

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[b]USA Today/USA Hockey Magazine Women's College Hockey Poll
December 10, 2019[/b]
Team            Points (First) Last Record Weeks in Poll

1 University of Wisconsin 186 (15)2 18-1-1 12
2 University of Minnesota 173 (4) 1 15-1-3 12
[b][u]3 Cornell University 145 4 11-1-1 12[/u][/b]
4 Northeastern University 139 3 14-2-0 12
5 Ohio State University 91 7 10-4-4 12
[b][u]6 Clarkson University 79 5 14-2-4 12
7 Princeton University 68 6 10-3-0 12[/u][/b]
8 Boston University 67 8 12-4-1 9
9 Boston College         30    10 11-6-2 11
10 Univer Minnesota Duluth  22 9 8-8-2 10

Others receiving votes: [b][u]Harvard University 4[/u][/b],
Mercyhurst University 4, [b][u]Qunnipiac(?) University 1[/u][/b],
Robert Morris University 1.

[b]Women's National Collegiate PairWise Rankings[/b]

Rnk Team       PWR W-L-T W% W% Rnk RPI RPI Rnk

1 Wisconsin 40 18-1-1 0.9250 1 0.7044* 1
[b][u]2 Cornell        39 11-1-1 0.8846 2 0.6865* 2[/u][/b]
3 Minnesota 38 15-1-3 0.8684 4 0.6780* 3
4 Northeastern 37 14-2-0 0.8750 3 0.6480* 4
5 Ohio State 36 10-4-4 0.6667 9 0.6130 5
[b][u]6 Princeton 35 10-3-0 0.7692 6 0.6122* 6
7 Clarkson 34 14-2-4 0.8000 5 0.6041* 7[/u][/b]
8 Boston Univer   33 12-4-1 0.7353 7 0.5940* 8
[b][u]9 Harvard        31 7-4-0 0.6364 11 0.5720* 9[/u][/b]
9 Boston College 31 11-6-2 0.6316 13 0.5564* 10
11 Minnesota Duluth30 8-8-2 0.5000 22 0.5517 11
12 Robert Morris 29 10-6-2 0.6111 14 0.5453* 12
[b][u]13 Quinnipiac 28 9-7-3 0.5526 17 0.5374* 13[/u][/b]
14 Mercyhurst 27 10-5-1 0.6562 10 0.5359 14
[b][u]15 Colgate        26 9-8-3 0.5250 21 0.5335* 15[/u][/b]


[Trotsky]

Mankato lost to NMU tonight.  Cornell moves to #2 in PWR and NoDak becomes the third #1 in a week.