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[upprdeck]

Did they figure out a formula?

they got swept by #7 OSU
they got swept by #12 Cornell
they got swept by #20 Minn

lost and OT win vs #16 PSU
lost and OT win vs #13 Harvard

loss to #9 clarkson
OT tie to #4 Minn st

so zero REGULATION wins vs any of the top 20 PWR

2-9-1

and they other fluff adds up to #8 in PWR

Cornell by my quick count

6-2-2?  might be off by a game or so.


dont need to beat the good teams as much as dont lose to bad teams

[scoop85]

Did they figure out a formula?

they got swept by #7 OSU
they got swept by #12 Cornell
they got swept by #20 Minn

lost and OT win vs #16 PSU
lost and OT win vs #13 Harvard

loss to #9 clarkson
OT tie to #4 Minn st

so zero REGULATION wins vs any of the top 20 PW

2-9-1

and they other fluff adds up to #8 in PWR

Cornell by my quick count

6-2-2?  might be off by a game or so.


dont need to beat the good teams as much as dont lose to bad teams

Can't say I'm surprised. I thought ASU was one of the weakest teams we played this year.

[Trotsky]

Kick ass sweaters, though.

[Jim Hyla]

Did they figure out a formula?

they got swept by #7 OSU
they got swept by #12 Cornell
they got swept by #20 Minn

lost and OT win vs #16 PSU
lost and OT win vs #13 Harvard

loss to #9 clarkson
OT tie to #4 Minn st

so zero REGULATION wins vs any of the top 20 PW

2-9-1

and they other fluff adds up to #8 in PWR

Cornell by my quick count

6-2-2?  might be off by a game or so.


dont need to beat the good teams as much as dont lose to bad teams

Can't say I'm surprised. I thought ASU was one of the weakest teams we played this year.

Totally agree with both of you. It's about time that this whole love affair, particularly by USCHO, for AZU is brought down to earth. They are not the eighth best team, but all ratings have their problems and so far college hockey's system is better than others.

[upprdeck]

Having watched them play multiple times, they would be at best the 7th team in the ECAC,

You do have to factor in the crazy road travel schedule too though.

[Swampy]

This demonstrates the advantage of being an independent and not belonging to a league. League members have to play teams in their league, usually twice during a season. If the league has some weaker teams, this alone can pull down their Pairwise. If the stronger team has an off night, and Cornell has had several largely due to injuries, then there may be a tie or loss. In Cornell's case it may also be that we're still a young team (lots of sophomores and frosh), so we may be playing with less intensity against the weaker teams in our league. But the point is we have to play them.

ASU, OTOH, could schedule only the Washington Capitals if it wanted to, and its Pairwise would look great despite the losses.

[adamw]

They also swept Colorado College, Michigan State and Boston College. And while those teams are basically "average" this year - that is still pretty good. And between that, and sweeping through the bottom teams they played, they did their job. It's not an easy feat to never lose to bottom teams (see Cornell vs. Colgate, RPI, Michigan State, etc...)

Body of work.

[Jim Hyla]

They also swept Colorado College, Michigan State and Boston College. And while those teams are basically "average" this year - that is still pretty good. And between that, and sweeping through the bottom teams they played, they did their job. It's not an easy feat to never lose to bottom teams (see Cornell vs. Colgate, RPI, Michigan State, etc...)

Body of work.

Body of work:

so zero REGULATION wins vs any of the top 20 PWR

2-9-1

That probably makes a good WCHA team, not a top 10 team.

[Dafatone]

Arizona State has the 15th best win% and the 18th best strength of schedule. That shouldn't add up to 8th in RPI.

That being said, there aren't any teams below them that are clearly better in both categories. For instance, we're 12th in win% but 24th in strength of schedule.

[jkahn]

I've always been a KRACH proponent as a better and fairer way (better because it is fairer).
ASU is #16 in KRACH.  Cornell is #9.

[Dafatone]

I've always been a KRACH proponent as a better and fairer way (better because it is fairer).
ASU is #16 in KRACH.  Cornell is #9.

As far as I can tell, KRACH is better, but it's always left me a little annoyed because it usually doesn't like us. Good year for the ECAC, and so it likes us more.

[Trotsky]

I've always been a KRACH proponent as a better and fairer way (better because it is fairer).
ASU is #16 in KRACH.  Cornell is #9.

As far as I can tell, KRACH is better, but it's always left me a little annoyed because it usually doesn't like us. Good year for the ECAC, and so it likes us more.

I was under the impression that since the Yale title run KRACH has liked us.

[adamw]

I've always been a KRACH proponent as a better and fairer way (better because it is fairer).
ASU is #16 in KRACH.  Cornell is #9.

Interestingly, those are basically the biggest differences in KRACH to PWR this year.  It's rare there's that big a difference anymore.

KRACH is better, but it's usually not that big a deal.

I will say this -- Pairwise is taking into account home/road weighting now ... and KRACH is not. ASU has to play a lot of games on the road. That could account for some difference. Hard to say without pulling that weighting out of PW, or putting it into KRACH (which jtw has done before, but I don't have the script at the moment)

[adamw]

They also swept Colorado College, Michigan State and Boston College. And while those teams are basically "average" this year - that is still pretty good. And between that, and sweeping through the bottom teams they played, they did their job. It's not an easy feat to never lose to bottom teams (see Cornell vs. Colgate, RPI, Michigan State, etc...)

Body of work.

Body of work:

so zero REGULATION wins vs any of the top 20 PWR

2-9-1

That probably makes a good WCHA team, not a top 10 team.

Well REGULATION wins are irrelevant to Pairwise or KRACH - so that would have no bearing on this conversation.

Fact of the matter is, their record is no better or worse than any other team in that position - and there's nothing to be learned about scheduling opponents or "gaming the system" based on what Arizona State has done.

[Dafatone]

I've always been a KRACH proponent as a better and fairer way (better because it is fairer).
ASU is #16 in KRACH.  Cornell is #9.

Interestingly, those are basically the biggest differences in KRACH to PWR this year.  It's rare there's that big a difference anymore.

KRACH is better, but it's usually not that big a deal.

I will say this -- Pairwise is taking into account home/road weighting now ... and KRACH is not. ASU has to play a lot of games on the road. That could account for some difference. Hard to say without pulling that weighting out of PW, or putting it into KRACH (which jtw has done before, but I don't have the script at the moment)

Interestingly, pairwise weights road wins and home losses more than home wins and road losses.  ASU is 12-2 at home and 9-9 on the road. This means they're 12-9 in lightly weighted games and 9-2 in heavily weighted games.

On the other hand, we're 10-2 in lightly weighted games and 7-5 in heavily weighted games. We also have four road ties and a neutral loss.

I guess the lesson is that if you're going to win most of your games, play on the road a lot.