Cornell - SLU

[cufan]

'73 was my junior year and the pain is still palpable!

[billhoward]

Back then, there were fewer quick-and-useless stats, such, "So far this year, Cornell is 12-0-1 when leading after two periods, so this 5-2 lead over the Badgers of Wisconsin is pretty much a guaranteed W for the Big Red, and its first return to the NCAA championship since 1970 and Ken Dryden's fabulous post-grad-year season."

[billhoward]

It took me a while to parse this headline and wonder if SLU had sneaked into the Ivies to replace say Penn or Columbia for hockey, just as Chicago left the Big Ten and then Michigan State joined. Now I understand: Yale lost to Princeton same night, and that eliminated the last time from contending for the title.

[ursusminor]

Someone needs to come up with a decent metric quantifying how hurt a team is.

Missed games due to injury.  Pretty simple.

That doesn't take into account how important the player is. Swampy was talking about key players.

Then weight by points per game or something.

But that really undervalues goalies.

[ugarte]

Someone needs to come up with a decent metric quantifying how hurt a team is.

Missed games due to injury.  Pretty simple.

That doesn't take into account how important the player is. Swampy was talking about key players.

Then weight by points per game or something.

But that really undervalues goalies.

come on dude. nobody evaluates goalies and skaters with the same metrics.

[Trotsky]

Ralph's awesome, don't be dismissive of him.

I think with goalie I would be tempted to do something like weight by the percentage of games he started when he was healthy.  Or maybe even double that, since a goalie is so important.  So, for example, a goalie who was the starter 100% of the time except when hurt would get the same weight as a 2 point-per-game scorer.  I think that would be fair.  The undercounted player then would be the defensive defenseman or defensive forward.

These are the same issues I faced when I tried to come up with a weighted rank of players leaving and players returning in the annual TBRW Predictions.  I've gone back and forth with different schemas throughout the years, trying to find a good theoretical fit.  I have always wanted the time/energy to redo all the predictions with all the algorithms and then run a goodness of fit with the actuals.  This is not good experimental technique (in fact it's exactly the opposite) but it would still be interesting.

[CAS]

Agree Trotsky, Ralph is a great fan.

[ugarte]

Agree Trotsky, Ralph is a great fan.

i have no beef with ralph. i don't even care if he brings up December 1968 again.

[Swampy]

Ralph's awesome, don't be dismissive of him.

I think with goalie I would be tempted to do something like weight by the percentage of games he started when he was healthy.  Or maybe even double that, since a goalie is so important.  So, for example, a goalie who was the starter 100% of the time except when hurt would get the same weight as a 2 point-per-game scorer.  I think that would be fair.  The undercounted player then would be the defensive defenseman or defensive forward.

These are the same issues I faced when I tried to come up with a weighted rank of players leaving and players returning in the annual TBRW Predictions.  I've gone back and forth with different schemas throughout the years, trying to find a good theoretical fit.  I have always wanted the time/energy to redo all the predictions with all the algorithms and then run a goodness of fit with the actuals.  This is not good experimental technique (in fact it's exactly the opposite) but it would still be interesting.

For goalies, I'm inclined to favor a function of save % and % of games the goalie started when other goalies on the team were also healthy. Not sure it makes much sense to mix goalies with skaters, although if we're trying to come up with a single injury-impact metric there would have to be some way to integrate the GK score with that for skaters.

[ursusminor]

Agree Trotsky, Ralph is a great fan.

i have no beef with ralph. i don't even care if he brings up December 1968 again.

What about December 1970? :-D

[Trotsky]

Agree Trotsky, Ralph is a great fan.

i have no beef with ralph. i don't even care if he brings up December 1968 again.

What about December 1970? :-D

Dat overall, tho.

[ursusminor]

Agree Trotsky, Ralph is a great fan.

i have no beef with ralph. i don't even care if he brings up December 1968 again.

What about December 1970? :-D

Dat overall, tho.

I try to forget RPI's appearance at MSG vs. Cornell and BC in the year in between, but I must admit that I still remember those games. I don't recall the RPI-Cornell game in Ithaca in December 1969, but I must have listened to it.

[ugarte]

Agree Trotsky, Ralph is a great fan.

i have no beef with ralph. i don't even care if he brings up December 1968 again.

What about December 1970? :-D

The only one you can't talk about is March 1990.

[Trotsky]

Agree Trotsky, Ralph is a great fan.

i have no beef with ralph. i don't even care if he brings up December 1968 again.

What about December 1970? :-D

The only one you can't talk about is March 1990.

He can talk about it unless Ross Lemon is in the room.

[ursusminor]

Agree Trotsky, Ralph is a great fan.

i have no beef with ralph. i don't even care if he brings up December 1968 again.

What about December 1970? :-D

The only one you can't talk about is March 1990.

It's a deal because until I just looked at the Intercollegiate Hockey Newsletter report of that game, I had no knowledge about it. That was still in the era when news about college hockey was impossible to get in DC. Sometime thereafter I learned about Hockey-L. I suspect that when I got my copy of then ICHN, I read it quite rapidly since RPI was the higher seed and was quickly disappointed because RPI lost to Colgate in the finals.