2019-02-02: Cornell 1 RPI 1 (ot)

[marty]

Bite your lip! Truncated post-game pout.

[French Rage]

I just wanted to diss RPI, and it becomes a philosophy class.

[osorojo]

Once Cornell hockey fans assumed an Ivy League Championship for Cornell Men's hockey, expected Cornell to win the regionals, and had legitimate hopes for a national championship. We old-timers remember this well. My, how times have changed.

[marty]

Furthermore, there has been significant visiting band disrespect at RPI in the past few years as well. Without going in to details... it makes sense for us to make the North Country and Yale / Brown trips instead. We usually get respect at those rinks.

To comment on this other thread of the thread, what bothers me is how the band seems to respond to visiting band disrespect with disengagement instead of confrontation, whether direct during the abuse or somewhat indirect after the fact. The current band seems to view all these indignities as just the way things are, rather than, as many of us fossils have told any of them that will listen, the way things were not and, partially, the way they have allowed things to become. "Back in my day," if someone had told us not to play, we would've generally instituted a reign of (clean) mayhem, disrupting anything and everything rink staff tried to do, partially to make our displeasure known and partially because it's enormously fun.

I couldn't disagree more.  The band president was an honorable and polite representative of our school facing a prick who would have thrown them out of their crappy little excuse of a rink if they had displayed the type of guerrilla tactics that you espouse.

It ain't the effin' 70's (or apparently 1997??::twak::)and not all the students are as bone headed as we were back then.

Just who would it benefit if they had been escorted out that night (or suffered some other reprisal)? That little Napolean they dealt with in his tattered maroon blazer had issues.  Their coach has issues.  I assume their AD has issues. They lied when they responded to Jim's letter protesting what happened.

The band had to deal with the bores at Union. I'm glad they did it with class.

[TimV]

... the fans were docile, elderly, and sparse.

Hey!  That sounds like Marty!  (And, me.)::worry::

[marty]

... the fans were docile, elderly, and sparse.

Hey!  That sounds like Marty!  (And, me.)::worry::

My hair is sparser than yours!

[Scersk '97]

Furthermore, there has been significant visiting band disrespect at RPI in the past few years as well. Without going in to details... it makes sense for us to make the North Country and Yale / Brown trips instead. We usually get respect at those rinks.

To comment on this other thread of the thread, what bothers me is how the band seems to respond to visiting band disrespect with disengagement instead of confrontation, whether direct during the abuse or somewhat indirect after the fact. The current band seems to view all these indignities as just the way things are, rather than, as many of us fossils have told any of them that will listen, the way things were not and, partially, the way they have allowed things to become. "Back in my day," if someone had told us not to play, we would've generally instituted a reign of (clean) mayhem, disrupting anything and everything rink staff tried to do, partially to make our displeasure known and partially because it's enormously fun.

I couldn't disagree more.  The band president was an honorable and polite representative of our school facing a prick who would have thrown them out of their crappy little excuse of a rink if they had displayed the type of guerrilla tactics that you espouse.

It ain't the effin' 70's (or apparently 1997??::twak::)and not all the students are as bone headed as we were back then.

Just who would it benefit if they had been escorted out that night (or suffered some other reprisal)? That little Napolean they dealt with in his tattered maroon blazer had issues.  Their coach has issues.  I assume their AD has issues. They lied when they responded to Jim's letter protesting what happened.

The band had to deal with the bores at Union. I'm glad they did it with class.

The band president (the head manager) is supposed to do exactly that: generally, to smooth over things with rink staff so that the band can continue doing whatever it normally does. Yet, if the band is prevented from performing, the band manager should protest strenuously while the band goes on doing what it does for as long as they can get away with it.

Class is overrated; in this context, it's a ridiculous standard. After all, it's not a chess match; it's a hockey game. The job of the band is to do nearly anything to give our team an advantage, chiefly through making noise. Sitting on their hands at the behest of petty mandarins is not, as far as I'm concerned, part of the job description.

If the opposition is going to lie about what happened, what possible effect do you think our fine, gentlemanly conduct is going to have? If our band got thrown out for cheering their heads off or, for example, playing our fight song at the appropriate time rather than when rink staff tries to dictate like at Quinnipiac, I'd be damn proud of them. If good clean disobedience gets them "banned" from a few rinks around the league, then so be it. Creating a stink is sometimes worth it.

If you're not going to make the trip because they're hostile or whatever, you've given in. And, anyway, if you're not coming back, you might as well leave with a bang and not a whimper.

PS A perfect example of why not backing down is important.

[Trotsky]

... the fans were docile, elderly, and sparse.

Hey!  That sounds like Marty!  (And, me.)::worry::

And me.  That's the joke.

[kevdog8]

If I may ask, is this disrespect by the RPI band, the HFH staff, or the RPI fans?

On this occasion (Spring '18) it was started by the RPI band and continued by HFH staff. We have had past issues with HFH staff before. I'll never forget the year they moved an entire 30-person band five seats to the left because someone complained we were making too much noise. I'm sorry, ma'am, but we traveled 3+ hours to make a lot of noise...

[cufan]

Earlier a poster talked about "Peter Gunn" and the need for a "kickin'" horn section.

If I my regress 50 years  kickin horns - is a kickin horn section

But I digress.

[Trotsky]

Earlier a poster talked about "Peter Gunn" and the need for a "kickin'" horn section.

If I my regress 50 years  kickin horns - is a kickin horn section

But I digress.

To follow it up, how to do soul without any horns at all.

[ursusminor]

If I may ask, is this disrespect by the RPI band, the HFH staff, or the RPI fans?

On this occasion (Spring '18) it was started by the RPI band and continued by HFH staff. We have had past issues with HFH staff before. I'll never forget the year they moved an entire 30-person band five seats to the left because someone complained we were making too much noise. I'm sorry, ma'am, but we traveled 3+ hours to make a lot of noise...

Thanks, I was just curious. It is hard to believe that 5 seats makes that much difference unless the person was sitting right next to the band. (Yes, I realize that sound decreases as an inverse square not counting reflections, absorption, etc.) I am still bummed that the RPI band is no longer at the east end of the HFH.

[marty]

If I may ask, is this disrespect by the RPI band, the HFH staff, or the RPI fans?

On this occasion (Spring '18) it was started by the RPI band and continued by HFH staff. We have had past issues with HFH staff before. I'll never forget the year they moved an entire 30-person band five seats to the left because someone complained we were making too much noise. I'm sorry, ma'am, but we traveled 3+ hours to make a lot of noise...

Thanks, I was just curious. It is hard to believe that 5 seats makes that much difference unless the person was sitting right next to the band. (Yes, I realize that sound decreases as an inverse square not counting reflections, absorption, etc.) I am still bummed that the RPI band is no longer at the east end of the HFH.

As you know the east end is now dominated by "the place where the stage used to be".  The architect of this feature is no doubt related to the designer of the Tacoma Narrows Bridge - reputedly an RPI grad.  This is not to be confused with the west end "Throne and Corral"© which is used to amuse the Queen and allow her to hover over her crumb munching minions.  Nor is it to be confused with the defunct "Patroon Room" which apparantly priced itself out of existence.  It's sad that season ticket sales are down but the row behind us seems to have at least a half dozen empty seats for all the games. It wasn't so just a year ago.

Kudos for a better snack bar experience but otherwise the place's face lift was underwhelming.  And the hockey is getting better with Dave Smith as the classiest RPI coach since Buddy Powers.

[ursusminor]

If I may ask, is this disrespect by the RPI band, the HFH staff, or the RPI fans?

On this occasion (Spring '18) it was started by the RPI band and continued by HFH staff. We have had past issues with HFH staff before. I'll never forget the year they moved an entire 30-person band five seats to the left because someone complained we were making too much noise. I'm sorry, ma'am, but we traveled 3+ hours to make a lot of noise...

Thanks, I was just curious. It is hard to believe that 5 seats makes that much difference unless the person was sitting right next to the band. (Yes, I realize that sound decreases as an inverse square not counting reflections, absorption, etc.) I am still bummed that the RPI band is no longer at the east end of the HFH.

As you know the east end is now dominated by "the place where the stage used to be".  The architect of this feature is no doubt related to the designer of the Tacoma Narrows Bridge - reputedly an RPI grad.  This is not to be confused with the west end "Throne and Corral"© which is used to amuse the Queen and allow her to hover over her crumb munching minions.  Nor is it to be confused with the defunct "Patroon Room" which apparantly priced itself out of existence.  It's sad that season ticket sales are down but the row behind us seems to have at least a half dozen empty seats for all the games. It wasn't so just a year ago.

Kudos for a better snack bar experience but otherwise the place's face lift was underwhelming.  And the hockey is getting better with Dave Smith as the classiest RPI coach since Buddy Powers.

If the designer of the original Tacoma Narrows Bridge was not an RPI grad, then RPI has not done much to dispel that rumor. Indeed I first learned about that in Freshman physics.

"Classiest since Buddy Powers" doesn't include too many coaches. :-D
Edit: I strongly suspect that a similar statement could be made about the next Union coach. ;-)

[Trotsky]

The architects engineers of the original TNB were Leon Moisseiff (Columbia), Clark Eldridge (Washington State), and Burt Farquharson (U. of Washington).  The latter shot the iconic film of the collapse.