Men's basketball 2018-19

[scoop85]

Yes Great win but the Cornell Sun has no coverage of game.

Agreed, it's weak.

[dag14]

Apparently The Sun has trouble attracting reporters in the digital era and to keep people on staff, they get to do pretty much whatever they want.  Which I guess means they don't have to cover sports on the weekend unless they feel like it.

The men's hockey staff is very dedicated, which is why there was coverage during break, blogging during games and stories on the website immediately after the game ends.

[Ken711]

Cornell's second half play ends in regulation tie, but the Big Red fall in OT to Princeton 61-70.

[mountainred]

First win over Penn in 11 tries and the talk is about the Sun's coverage.  Pretty telling about hoops' place in the Cornell sports hierarchy.

Not to dwell on old news, but the Arizona Daily Star did a story on Stone Gettings in which Stone says Cornell's Financial Aid Department tripled his family's contribution before his Junior year (his sister, who was on scholarship, had graduated GW).  That stuck with him and when he realized he could graduate early, he did. "It really became a burden when the amount changed and I had to start looking into it," Gettings said. "But I think it was a blessing in disguise."

[ugarte]

Not to dwell on old news, but the Arizona Daily Star did a story on Stone Gettings in which Stone says Cornell's Financial Aid Department tripled his family's contribution before his Junior year (his sister, who was on scholarship, had graduated GW).  That stuck with him and when he realized he could graduate early, he did. "It really became a burden when the amount changed and I had to start looking into it," Gettings said. "But I think it was a blessing in disguise."

OOF - but power to him for graduating early and helping his family (and himself) out.

Another highlight of the article is seeing the clear difference in the treatment that athletes get at the sports factory schools. He was basically a student who played basketball at Cornell; at Arizona, he's a prince.

[mountainred]

Not to dwell on old news, but the Arizona Daily Star did a story on Stone Gettings in which Stone says Cornell's Financial Aid Department tripled his family's contribution before his Junior year (his sister, who was on scholarship, had graduated GW).  That stuck with him and when he realized he could graduate early, he did. "It really became a burden when the amount changed and I had to start looking into it," Gettings said. "But I think it was a blessing in disguise."

OOF - but power to him for graduating early and helping his family (and himself) out.

Another highlight of the article is seeing the clear difference in the treatment that athletes get at the sports factory schools. He was basically a student who played basketball at Cornell; at Arizona, he's a prince.

It's a good read.  I didn't harbor any ill will toward Stone before, but it near impossible to do so afterwards.  I can't imagine what it must be like for the 5 star kids Arizona recruits.

[Swampy]

Not to dwell on old news, but the Arizona Daily Star did a story on Stone Gettings in which Stone says Cornell's Financial Aid Department tripled his family's contribution before his Junior year (his sister, who was on scholarship, had graduated GW).  That stuck with him and when he realized he could graduate early, he did. "It really became a burden when the amount changed and I had to start looking into it," Gettings said. "But I think it was a blessing in disguise."

OOF - but power to him for graduating early and helping his family (and himself) out.

Another highlight of the article is seeing the clear difference in the treatment that athletes get at the sports factory schools. He was basically a student who played basketball at Cornell; at Arizona, he's a prince.

I also think it says something about Cornell's coaches and team during the time he was here. For example, he says:

At Cornell, I would cook for myself. Here, they make sure you have two or three great meals every day to make sure you're getting proper nutrition.

I understand how factory schools pay for athletes' meals and separate them out to eat in special dining halls, and I think it's awful. They should be students first and not segregated from the rest of the student body. I don't know for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Ivy League has rules against such segregated practices. I hope it does.

But I'm reminded of what I read last year about Yale's national champion lacrosse team: players were required to post pictures of their meals, and the captains would review and comment on what the players were eating. I don't know if Yale's coaches implemented this, but it certainly is a way for the team itself to oversee its nutrition without necessarily segregating the student-athletes or paying for their meals. It seems to me that if this is important, any IL team aspiring to be at the top would adopt similar practices.

He also mentions how

At Cornell, I would have a rebounder come and get me occasionally (for shooting practice), whereas here if I want to shoot they have three.

Again, maybe IL limits on budget and staff might preclude this as a formal practice. But what would it take for a coach to find student volunteers to act as rebounders and schedule themselves to help team members practice regularly?

Similarly, the article says,

Basketball conditioning coach Chris Rounds is already working with Gettings to improve his athleticism and get his body fat down to 5 percent.

It's hard to believe the teams in sports at which we're most successful -- hockey and lacrosse come to mind -- don't already do this, but apparently not basketball. The only excuse would be if he were getting back into game shape. But given the long time between now and when he'll actually play games at UA and the fact the article doesn't frame it this way, it seems more likely that his current condition was acceptable at Cornell but subpar at UA. Yet any civilian student at Cornell should be able to go to the gym and work up a plan with a trainer. So even if IL rules limit training -- which they shouldn't since conditioning prevents injuries -- he could have had something at Cornell that's similar to what he's getting at UA. And if in fact Stone's current conditioning was acceptable at Cornell but not a UA, then this speaks volumes about Cornell's basketball program.

[nshapiro]

Not to dwell on old news, but the Arizona Daily Star did a story on Stone Gettings in which Stone says Cornell's Financial Aid Department tripled his family's contribution before his Junior year (his sister, who was on scholarship, had graduated GW).  That stuck with him and when he realized he could graduate early, he did. "It really became a burden when the amount changed and I had to start looking into it," Gettings said. "But I think it was a blessing in disguise."

OOF - but power to him for graduating early and helping his family (and himself) out.

Another highlight of the article is seeing the clear difference in the treatment that athletes get at the sports factory schools. He was basically a student who played basketball at Cornell; at Arizona, he's a prince.

I also think it says something about Cornell's coaches and team during the time he was here. For example, he says:

At Cornell, I would cook for myself. Here, they make sure you have two or three great meals every day to make sure you're getting proper nutrition.

I understand how factory schools pay for athletes' meals and separate them out to eat in special dining halls, and I think it's awful. They should be students first and not segregated from the rest of the student body. I don't know for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Ivy League has rules against such segregated practices. I hope it does.

But I'm reminded of what I read last year about Yale's national champion lacrosse team: players were required to post pictures of their meals, and the captains would review and comment on what the players were eating. I don't know if Yale's coaches implemented this, but it certainly is a way for the team itself to oversee its nutrition without necessarily segregating the student-athletes or paying for their meals. It seems to me that if this is important, any IL team aspiring to be at the top would adopt similar practices.

He also mentions how

At Cornell, I would have a rebounder come and get me occasionally (for shooting practice), whereas here if I want to shoot they have three.

Again, maybe IL limits on budget and staff might preclude this as a formal practice. But what would it take for a coach to find student volunteers to act as rebounders and schedule themselves to help team members practice regularly?

Similarly, the article says,

Basketball conditioning coach Chris Rounds is already working with Gettings to improve his athleticism and get his body fat down to 5 percent.

It's hard to believe the teams in sports at which we're most successful -- hockey and lacrosse come to mind -- don't already do this, but apparently not basketball. The only excuse would be if he were getting back into game shape. But given the long time between now and when he'll actually play games at UA and the fact the article doesn't frame it this way, it seems more likely that his current condition was acceptable at Cornell but subpar at UA. Yet any civilian student at Cornell should be able to go to the gym and work up a plan with a trainer. So even if IL rules limit training -- which they shouldn't since conditioning prevents injuries -- he could have had something at Cornell that's similar to what he's getting at UA. And if in fact Stone's current conditioning was acceptable at Cornell but not a UA, then this speaks volumes about Cornell's basketball program.

As long as that Cornell student forks over the additional cash to get a gym membership, because the puny tuition bill can't cover luxuries like that.

[Swampy]

Yet any civilian student at Cornell should be able to go to the gym and work up a plan with a trainer. So even if IL rules limit training -- which they shouldn't since conditioning prevents injuries -- he could have had something at Cornell that's similar to what he's getting at UA. And if in fact Stone's current conditioning was acceptable at Cornell but not a UA, then this speaks volumes about Cornell's basketball program.

As long as that Cornell student forks over the additional cash to get a gym membership, because the puny tuition bill can't cover luxuries like that.

Wow, things have sure changed. I remember going over and playing squash regularly with nothing but my student ID. But then again, that was before neoliberalism took over higher education.

One might think gym membership would be automatic for varsity team members. Or would this be considered non-need financial aid?

[Scersk '97]

As long as that Cornell student forks over the additional cash to get a gym membership, because the puny tuition bill can't cover luxuries like that.

Wow, things have sure changed. I remember going over and playing squash regularly with nothing but my student ID. But then again, that was before neoliberalism took over higher education.

Geez, that's awful.

When I went to Michigan for grad school, I was at first taken aback by the constant nickle-and-diming, yet I came to see it as a symptom of declining support for public higher education in Michigan and elsewhere. The public/private nature of Cornell notwithstanding, it pains me to see the alma mater heading down that same path.

[CU2007]

Yet any civilian student at Cornell should be able to go to the gym and work up a plan with a trainer. So even if IL rules limit training -- which they shouldn't since conditioning prevents injuries -- he could have had something at Cornell that's similar to what he's getting at UA. And if in fact Stone's current conditioning was acceptable at Cornell but not a UA, then this speaks volumes about Cornell's basketball program.

As long as that Cornell student forks over the additional cash to get a gym membership, because the puny tuition bill can't cover luxuries like that.

Wow, things have sure changed. I remember going over and playing squash regularly with nothing but my student ID. But then again, that was before neoliberalism took over higher education.

One might think gym membership would be automatic for varsity team members. Or would this be considered non-need financial aid?

All varsity athletes can work out at the Friedman Center as they please.

[nshapiro]

As long as that Cornell student forks over the additional cash to get a gym membership, because the puny tuition bill can't cover luxuries like that.

Wow, things have sure changed. I remember going over and playing squash regularly with nothing but my student ID. But then again, that was before neoliberalism took over higher education.

Geez, that's awful.

When I went to Michigan for grad school, I was at first taken aback by the constant nickle-and-diming, yet I came to see it as a symptom of declining support for public higher education in Michigan and elsewhere. The public/private nature of Cornell notwithstanding, it pains me to see the alma mater heading down that same path.

Not just heading down that path, but fully committed to pissing off parents, many of whom are alumni.  It starts when Cornell invites you to register for your freshman child's parents weekend - $15/person, and that gets you a nametag badge and the right to pay to attend other events that weekend.

[rss77]

Financial aid is pretty subjective.  Would Getting's financial package been the same at the other Ivies given his sister's graduation-hard to say.  On the resources that Gettings has been given at Arizona-much of that comes from the TV revenues the Power 5 schools get.  It brings what Mike Shafer said at a sports luncheon:. Michigan State's traveling had 40 people wherein Cornell when it goes on the road is 26.

[Al DeFlorio]

Financial aid is pretty subjective.  Would Getting's financial package been the same at the other Ivies given his sister's graduation-hard to say.  On the resources that Gettings has been given at Arizona-much of that comes from the TV revenues the Power 5 schools get.  It brings what Mike Shafer said at a sports luncheon:. Michigan State's traveling had 40 people wherein Cornell when it goes on the road is 26.

Once his sister graduated and her college costs went away, his family's need went down, and so his financial aid dropped accordingly.  Not sure why it would be different at any need-based aid Ivy. If he's got athletic scholarship aid at Arizona, there's no 'need' requirement and they can give him whatever they want within the total basketball athletic scholarship limit for Division I.  Whole different ballgame.

[Swampy]

Financial aid is pretty subjective.  Would Getting's financial package been the same at the other Ivies given his sister's graduation-hard to say.  On the resources that Gettings has been given at Arizona-much of that comes from the TV revenues the Power 5 schools get.  It brings what Mike Shafer said at a sports luncheon:. Michigan State's traveling had 40 people wherein Cornell when it goes on the road is 26.

Good point. But my criticisms were directed at the Cornell coaches & players for, what sounded like, not working around resource constraints. The particular resources mentioned in the article are not out of reach for an Ivy school, even if there's not enough in the budget to pay for them outright. Yale's practice of team members monitoring teammates' nutrition is a good example of ensuring certain eating habits without recourse to an athletic dining hall.

If the article had talked about the team flying on a private jet rather than taking a commercial flight, that would be a horse of a different color.