Cornell lacrosse 2019

Started by billhoward, May 29, 2018, 07:15:33 AM

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upprdeck

JH a loss would have given us more margin,  the reality is need some chalk to win

towson win helps us , but still not sure why they or loyola or even maryland are seen as locks.

maryland is now 1-4 vs teams that will be in, they are getting alot of value over beating Penn in game 1 when they were playing game 3..

we with a loss will be 2-5 with Hobart as a shot to add another.

Swampy

Quote from: upprdeckmaryland is now 1-4 vs teams that will be in, they are getting alot of value over beating Penn in game 1 when they were playing game 3..


Don't think NC$$ takes this into account. Another way Ivies get screwed.


Beeeej

Quote from: ugartenope. season's over.

https://twitter.com/raphy_gendler/status/1125209985003204608

On the plus side, ESPN+ would've auto-billed again on Wednesday, so we were able to cancel 'til next hockey season...

Always looking for the silver linings.
Beeeej, Esq.

"Cornell isn't an organization.  It's a loose affiliation of independent fiefdoms united by a common hockey team."
   - Steve Worona

mike1960

Quote from: ugartenope. season's over.

https://twitter.com/raphy_gendler/status/1125209985003204608

The search for a FOGO guy begins.

Swampy

Quote from: mike1960
Quote from: ugartenope. season's over.

https://twitter.com/raphy_gendler/status/1125209985003204608

The search for a FOGO guy begins.

The current roster has five FOGOs, with no seniors and only two juniors (Raz & Hunter Hughes). We also have Angelo Petrakis, nationally the #2 class-of-2019 FOGO coming next fall.

In terms of recruiting & searching for a FOGO, what more can the coaches do?

ugarte

Quote from: Swampy
Quote from: mike1960
Quote from: ugartenope. season's over.

https://twitter.com/raphy_gendler/status/1125209985003204608

The search for a FOGO guy begins.

The current roster has five FOGOs, with no seniors and only two juniors (Raz & Hunter Hughes). We also have Angelo Petrakis, nationally the #2 class-of-2019 FOGO coming next fall.

In terms of recruiting & searching for a FOGO, what more can the coaches do?
Well, the new guy is good news but i think it's fair to read "the search for a FOGO begins" to mean "the search for a FOGO who doesn't lose most of his faceoffs, like the ones this year, begins" is a fair way to read Mike's point. Who cares how many are on the roster right now if none of them were successful?

Swampy

Quote from: ugarte
Quote from: Swampy
Quote from: mike1960
Quote from: ugartenope. season's over.

https://twitter.com/raphy_gendler/status/1125209985003204608

The search for a FOGO guy begins.

The current roster has five FOGOs, with no seniors and only two juniors (Raz & Hunter Hughes). We also have Angelo Petrakis, nationally the #2 class-of-2019 FOGO coming next fall.

In terms of recruiting & searching for a FOGO, what more can the coaches do?
Well, the new guy is good news but i think it's fair to read "the search for a FOGO begins" to mean "the search for a FOGO who doesn't lose most of his faceoffs, like the ones this year, begins" is a fair way to read Mike's point. Who cares how many are on the roster right now if none of them were successful?

My point is just that the best coaches can do is to evaluate players, recruit the ones whom they project will be successful, and coach up the ones they recruit. On the first two tasks, our current coaches seem to be doing reasonably well. So three possibilities remain: 1) they're not doing a good job of coaching the FOGO's once they get here, 2) for whatever reasons, the players don't live up to the projections, and/or 3) the players get injured. This seems to have been the case with Raz this year.

Oh, one more thing. 4) The team runs into an historical talent like TD. This would make beating Yale exceptionally difficult, but it still wouldn't explain mediocre FOGO results against so many other teams.

Maybe we can get one of these guys to transfer.

scoop85

Quote from: Swampy
Quote from: ugarte
Quote from: Swampy
Quote from: mike1960
Quote from: ugartenope. season's over.

https://twitter.com/raphy_gendler/status/1125209985003204608

The search for a FOGO guy begins.

The current roster has five FOGOs, with no seniors and only two juniors (Raz & Hunter Hughes). We also have Angelo Petrakis, nationally the #2 class-of-2019 FOGO coming next fall.

In terms of recruiting & searching for a FOGO, what more can the coaches do?
Well, the new guy is good news but i think it's fair to read "the search for a FOGO begins" to mean "the search for a FOGO who doesn't lose most of his faceoffs, like the ones this year, begins" is a fair way to read Mike's point. Who cares how many are on the roster right now if none of them were successful?

My point is just that the best coaches can do is to evaluate players, recruit the ones whom they project will be successful, and coach up the ones they recruit. On the first two tasks, our current coaches seem to be doing reasonably well. So three possibilities remain: 1) they're not doing a good job of coaching the FOGO's once they get here, 2) for whatever reasons, the players don't live up to the projections, and/or 3) the players get injured. This seems to have been the case with Raz this year.

Oh, one more thing. 4) The team runs into an historical talent like TD. This would make beating Yale exceptionally difficult, but it still wouldn't explain mediocre FOGO results against so many other teams.

Maybe we can get one of these guys to transfer.

If Petrakis is truly one of the one or two best FOGO's coming out of HS, we should be at least competitive at faceoffs next year. And I think Graham improved over the course of the season and can certainly be in the mix with the other guys coming back.

billhoward

Quote from: scoop85If Petrakis is truly one of the one or two best FOGO's coming out of HS, we should be at least competitive at faceoffs next year. And I think Graham improved over the course of the season and can certainly be in the mix with the other guys coming back.
Just that it's not like having two fair-to-good linebackers, where the talent is additive. We will have a great FOGO coming into Cornell the year before the faceoff goes away.

billhoward

Cornell A Jeff Teat is third-team All-America and LSM middie Brandon Salvatore is HM on the 2019 Inside Lacrosse media All-America team. IL calls it  "an annual survey of more than 20 people who cover lacrosse regularly and are tasked with honoring the highest performers this spring." (Hello, get me rewrite.)  First team attack is Grant Ament of Penn State (probably the Tewaaraton favorite), Pat Spencer of Loyola and - stop press! - sophomore Chris Gray of BU. They are the top 3 scorers in D1 this year. UMass and Duke have two each first team. Ivies named first-team AA were Penn freshman M Sam Handley, Yale FO TD Ierlan. A Michael Sowers of Princeton on second team.

FWIW, the media voters had Sowers, Spencer, and Teat as first-team in a pre-season poll, and Teat was first-team (both USILA coaches and IL media) as a freshman and sophomore.     https://www.insidelacrosse.com/article/2019-di-men-s-media-all-americans/54526


2019 DI Men's Media All-Americans - First Team
A-Grant Ament, Jr., Penn State <--- 26G 83A 109 Pts (109 pts after NCAA 1st round; 6.8 ppg, best in D1)
A-Pat Spencer, Sr., Loyola     <--- 43G 60A 103 Pts (career 143G 226A 369 Pts in 67 games)  
A-Chris Gray, So., Boston U    <--- 49G 62A 111 Pts (most total points in D1, 6.5 ppg)
M-Sam Handley, Fr., Penn
M-Dox Aitken, Jr., Virginia
M-Bryan Costabile, Jr., Notre Dame
FO-TD Ierlan, Jr., Yale
SSDM-Zach Goodrich, Sr., Towson
LSM-Isaac Paparo, Sr., UMass
D-Johnny Surdick, Sr., Army
D-Cade Van Raaphorst, Sr., Duke
D-JT Giles-Harris, Jr., Duke
G-Sean Sconone, Sr., UMass

Second Team
A-Michael Sowers, Jr., Princeton
A-Asher Nolting, So., High Point
A-Mac O'Keefe, Jr., Penn State
M-Chase Scanlan, Fr., Loyola
M-Max Tuttle, Sr., Sacred Heart
M-Ryan Conrad, Sr., Virginia
FO-Alex Woodall, Sr., Towson
SSDM-TJ Comizio, Sr., Villanova
LSM-Jared Conners, Jr., Virginia
D-Nick Mellen, RJr., Syracuse
D-Craig Chick, Sr., Lehigh
D-Chris Sabia, Sr., Penn State
G-Jacob Stover, Sr., Loyola

Third Team
A-Jared Bernhardt, Jr., Maryland
A-Daniel Bucaro, Sr., Georgetown
A-Jeff Teat, Jr., Cornell
M-Lucas Wittenberg, Sr., Georgetown
M-Nick Spillane,Sr., Penn State
M-Brendan Curry, So., Syracuse
FO-Kyle Gallagher, Jr., Penn
SSDM-Ryan Terefenko, Jr., Ohio State
LSM-Brett Kennedy, RSo., Syracuse
D-Chris Fake, So., Yale
D-Koby Smith, So., Towson
D-Gibson Smith, So., Georgetown
G-AJ Barretto, Sr., Army

Honorable Mention
A-Joey Epstein, Fr., Johns Hopkins  <--- Inside Lacrosse top recruit
A-Jackson Morrill, Jr., Yale
A-Logan Wisnauskas, So., Maryland
A-Michael Kraus, Jr., Virginia
A-Jake Carraway, Jr., Georgetown
M-Connor Kirst, Jr., Villanova
M-Brad Smith, Sr., Duke
M-Jack Tigh, Sr., Yale
M-Tyler Dunn, Sr., Penn
M-Anthony DeMaio, So., Maryland
FO-Gerard Arceri, Jr., Penn State
FO-Conor Gaffney, Jr., Lehigh
SSDM-Danny Logan, Jr., Denver
SSDM-Peter Dearth, Jr., Syracuse
SSDM- Drew Schantz, Sr., Notre Dame
SSDM-Roman Puglise, So., Maryland
LSM-Brandon Salvatore, Jr., Cornell
D-Dylan Gaines, Sr., Denver
D-Curtis Corley, Sr., Maryland
D-Patrick Foley, Sr., Johns Hopkins
D-George Baughan, So., Princeton
G-Max Edelmann, RSr., Rutgers
G-Matt DeLuca, Jr., Delaware      <--- no relation to Delaware HC Ben DeLuca '98 former Cornell HC
G-Tim Troutner, Sr., High Point

billhoward

As a freshman, Jeff Teat broke Rob Pannell's freshman scoring record of 72 points, last year he had 99 points (62 assists, third all time behind only Tim Goldstein and Eamon McEneaney). This year it dropped to 34-36--70. Ever since Brown locked down on Teat in the 2018 Ivy tournament (1G, 2A after going 2G, 8A vs. Brown in RS) he's been a different player in terms of production. Let's hope Cornell develops some outside midfielder shooting to loosen up defenses and free our man-pushed-about-town. Lacrosse is following basketball in allowing size and aggression to substitute for skill. Maybe it's a reaction to balls that don't come loose so easily. Would Eamon McEneaney '77 (RIP 9/11) at 5-9 and 145 be competitive today?

When Teat gets free and when there's a shooter free to take Teat's pass, he is the best player in lacrosse. As when he threaded that pass to Clarke Petterson to beat Princeton with 8 seconds left.
 

https://twitter.com/CornellVideo/status/1122264493872992256

mike1960

Cornell is/was better than most of those teams in the final 8.

Swampy

Quote from: mike1960Cornell is/was better than most of those teams in the final 8.

The problem is we lost to three of them, twice to Yale.

Al DeFlorio

Quote from: Swampy
Quote from: mike1960Cornell is/was better than most of those teams in the final 8.

The problem is we lost to three of them, twice to Yale.
I'd say those are the three best teams remaining in the tournament.  Penn State's lost only to Yale.  Since their opener, Yale's lost only to Penn.  And Penn hasn't lost to anyone since March 2.

Problem is the dopes on the committee have seeded them so only one can get to the championship game.
Al DeFlorio '65